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    « on: October 04, 2011, 12:32:42 PM »

    I have been doing this rotation for about a year now:


    Day 1

    4x Squats: 5 reps
    3x Ham Work: 8 reps
    3x BB or DB Row: 8 reps
    2x Bicep Curls: 10 reps

    Day 2

    4x Bench Press: 5 reps
    3x Military Press: 8 reps
    3x Tricep Isolation: 8 reps
    2x Ab/Calf Work: 15 reps

    Day 3

    4x Deadlifts: 5 reps
    3x Pullups: 8 reps
    3x Leg Press: 8 reps
    2x Biceps Curls: 10 reps

    Day 4

    4x DB or Incline Press: 5 reps
    3x Chest Dips: 8 reps
    3x Side Lateral Raise: 8 reps
    2x Ab/Calf Work: 15 reps

    Day 1: On
    Day 2: On
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: On
    Day 5: Off
    Day 6: On
    Day 7: Off


    And Ive been wondering about if I want a change now.

    Before a I started the 2 split, i worked out more like this:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ronnie-colemans-fitness-program.html
    but with reps in range of 8-12, not 15-20 like he does.

    But Ronnie (and allot of other trainers on that page) is saying 15-20 is the way to go for maximum muscle building, and thats what i wanna aim for, maxing out on building. So what should I go with ?

    Any input is helpfull Smiley
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    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 09:24:55 AM »

    in the case of 2 split, what is it? i ask, because my understanding might be different than yours. Smiley
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    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 10:05:03 AM »

    I have been doing this rotation for about a year now:


    Day 1

    4x Squats: 5 reps
    3x Ham Work: 8 reps
    3x BB or DB Row: 8 reps
    2x Bicep Curls: 10 reps

    Day 2

    4x Bench Press: 5 reps
    3x Military Press: 8 reps
    3x Tricep Isolation: 8 reps
    2x Ab/Calf Work: 15 reps

    Day 3

    4x Deadlifts: 5 reps
    3x Pullups: 8 reps
    3x Leg Press: 8 reps
    2x Biceps Curls: 10 reps

    Day 4

    4x DB or Incline Press: 5 reps
    3x Chest Dips: 8 reps
    3x Side Lateral Raise: 8 reps
    2x Ab/Calf Work: 15 reps

    Day 1: On
    Day 2: On
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: On
    Day 5: Off
    Day 6: On
    Day 7: Off


    And Ive been wondering about if I want a change now.

    Before a I started the 2 split, i worked out more like this:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ronnie-colemans-fitness-program.html
    but with reps in range of 8-12, not 15-20 like he does.

    But Ronnie (and allot of other trainers on that page) is saying 15-20 is the way to go for maximum muscle building, and thats what i wanna aim for, maxing out on building. So what should I go with ?

    Any input is helpfull Smiley



    So if I'm reading this right your "2 split" was basically:

    Leg/back
    Chest / shoulder /abs
    rest
    different leg / back
    rest
    different chest / shoulder / abs
    rest

    Do you think your recovery could handle a M W F full body? Like one of these from 21 workouts:
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    Weightlifting option 1 - AXAXAXX

     - only one workout, done thrice a week on non-consecutive days
     - doesn't utilize supersets as it's meant for beginners
     - tempo isn't listed as beginners should focus on getting the form down (explosive positive and controlled negative)
     - all rep ranges are lower to allow for form learning

    Workout A
       A Squats or Deadlifts - w 5x5 / 180 -squat twice a week, and deadlift once
       B Bench press - 3x5-8 / 90
       C Bent-over BB rows - 3x5-8 / 90
       D Chinups - 3x5-8 / 60
       E Dips - 3x5-8 / 60
       F Military press - 2x5-8 / 60
       E Hanging leg raises - 2x8-15 / 60
    --


    Weightlifting option 2 - AXBXAXXBXAXBXX

     - two distinct workouts (A and B) alternated on 3 weekly training sessions
     - if you can't deadlift as often and/or feel overtrained, consider Option 3

    Workout A
       A Squats - w 5x5 / 180
       B1 Bench press - w 3x5-8 / 60
       B2 Bent-over rows - w 3x5-8 / 60
       C Military press - 3x5-8 / 75
       D1 DB curls - 3x8-12 2021 45
       D2 Hanging leg raises - 3x8-12 2020 45
    --

    Workout B
       A Deadlift - w 5x5 / 180
       B1 Chinups - w 3x8-12 2011 60
       B2 Chest dips - w 3x8-12 31X0 60
       C DB rows - 3x8-12 2020 75
       D1 Skullcrushers - 3x8-12 / 45
       D2 Calf raises - w 3x8-12 5X21 45
    --


    Weightlifting option 3 - AXBXAXX

     - two distinct workouts (A and B), with workout A done on first and third session, and workout B on the second one
     - workout A focuses on squat and major torso muscles, while B focuses on the deadlift and minor muscle groups (arms and delts)
     - unlike previous two workouts, utilizes supersets to a greater degree

    Workout A
       A Squat - w 5x5 / 180
       B1 Bench press - w 3x5-8 / 60
       B2 Bent-over BB rows - w 3x5-8 / 60
       C1 Low incline DB press - 2x8-12 2010 60
       C2 Arc DB rows - 2x8-12 2021 60
       D1 Standing calf raises - w 3x6-10 52X1 45
       D2 Hanging leg raises - 2x8-15 3020 60
    --

    Workout B
       A Deadlift - w 3-5x3-5 / 180
       B Walking lunges - 3x10-15 / 60
       C1 Chinups - w 3x8-12 2011 60
       C2 Dips - w 3x8-12 31X0 60
       D1 Upright rows - 3x8-12 2021 60
       D2 Military press - w 3x5-8 / 60
       E Woodchops - 2x10-20 / 60 -optional

    Read more: http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/21-workout-routines-37958/#ixzz1ZvnBNnXC


    As for the 15-20 rep thing, well, Ronnie is a genetic freak, likely on lots of steroids, and obviously an advanced lifter. All of those things mean what works for him will probably not work for normal people. He was a powerlifter, focusing on a low rep range for awhile, then tried that high range. Like many people, he likely saw a big response because he did something different and assumed it was the new routine rather than simply changing something.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 03:07:37 AM »

    only sure way to know is try it see. who can tell how your body will respond to it, a change might just do some good.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 11:11:20 AM »

    been talking to allot of people with knowledge on the gym last days now also, all say that the way to go is using basic exercises with heavy load like squats, deads bench etc. And that high rep programs with loads of set is spesicfly for poeple on steroids, because your body responds best to that then. This is what they say atleast.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 11:16:34 AM »

    been talking to allot of people with knowledge on the gym last days now also, all say that the way to go is using basic exercises with heavy load like squats, deads bench etc. And that high rep programs with loads of set is spesicfly for poeple on steroids, because your body responds best to that then. This is what they say atleast.

    nah, it only means you'll be increasing weights every month or more.  i find it best for novices, because it will allow them, like me, to train on proper form.  FORM is key.

    however, if you do 10 x 10 with godly weight, i'll be doubting if you're on steroids or not depending on the years you've been doing it. Azn

    1 set of 20 reps is great.  Cheesy  best form maker there is and no need for warmup because the weight you'll be using won't be that heavy, probably 40 percent of your working weight which will serve as your warmup too.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 01:24:28 PM »

    yea, the 10x10 was mentioned spesificly for that use
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    « Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 11:35:53 PM »

    I think you could benefit a lot from a similar Upper/Lower Split like this one:

    DAY 1 - Lower body quad dominant
       A Squats - w 3x8-12 / 180
       B Glute-ham raises - w 2020 90
       C Front squats - 4x5-8 3110 75
       D1 Standing calf raises - w 3x6-10 52X1 45
       D2 Cable crunches - 3x15-20 2011 45
    --

    DAY 2 - Upper body horizontal
       A1 Bench press - w 4x5-8 / 75
       A2 Bent-over BB rows - w 4x5-8 / 75
       B1 Incline DB bench press - 3x8-12 2110 60
       B2 DB rows - 3x8-12 2011 60
       C1 Skullcrushers - 3x8-12 2020 45
       C2 Rear delt rows - 3x8-12 2020 45
    --

    DAY 3 - Lower body hip dominant
       A Deadlifts - w 3-5x3-5 / 180
       B Split squats - 3x8-12 21X1 90
       C Leg curls - w 3x5-8 30X1 75
       D1 Seated calf raises - w 2x15-20 32X1 45
       D2 Hanging leg raises - 3x10-15 2121 45
    --

    DAY 4 - Upper body vertical
       A1 Pullups - w 4x6-10 / 75
       A2 Military press - w 4x6-10 / 75
       B1 Upright rows - 3x5-8 2020 60
       B2 Parallel bar dips - w 3x5-8 31X0 60
       C1 DB curls - 3x8-12 2021 45
       C2 Reverse L-fly - 3x10-15 3030 45
    --

    Read more: http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/21-workout-routines-37958/#ixzz1aMVnXion


    Also I think you haven't done Madcow's or Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 before. Might try that too for a change? Smiley

    I'd be eager to see how far you can go Wink
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    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 12:35:21 PM »

    yea, thats excactly what im going to do Smiley

    im gonna do some testing this week then do a 9 week Madcow advanced, followed by a upper lower split Smiley

    the A1,A2 or D1,D2 in those programs are super sets right?

    can you change Skullcrushers on day 2 for triceps dips or other triceps movments?
    Ive been getting stiff elbows (pain kinda like its inflamation) from them the last year so think im cutting them out.

    Split squats are kinda like lounges? Im not sure what all the digits after the exercises in the program means.. Care to explain ?
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    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 02:56:46 AM »

    numbers after = 3x5-8 means 3 sets x 5-8 reps- 2020 mean slow lower fast up 2 being down movement 0 being the up. 60-180 means rest time in secs so 60 is 1 min etc  Wink

    A1 & A2 are done super set then you move to D1 etc. A DB kickback might be a good replacement for S/C but if you have cable I prefer pushdowns.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 12:05:44 PM »

    numbers after = 3x5-8 means 3 sets x 5-8 reps- 2020 mean slow lower fast up 2 being down movement 0 being the up. 60-180 means rest time in secs so 60 is 1 min etc  Wink

    A1 & A2 are done super set then you move to D1 etc. A DB kickback might be a good replacement for S/C but if you have cable I prefer pushdowns.

    Ok thanks, yea might do cable push downs also, tho I never felt any true increase from them.
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