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« on: January 08, 2012, 07:39:53 AM »

My deadlift isn't very high right now compared to my other lifts (only 1.7xBW) because I have trouble with the first half of the lift, so I figure I need to add some assistance work. I have two lower body days, squats both days, deadlifts only on one of them so I don't burn myself out. The other lower body day is where I want to add the assistance work.

There's obviously SLDL, RDL, Goodmornings, and Rack Pulls, but those seem to help with the upper half of the lift, which is not where I need the help.

So I'm thinking either Speed deads or deficit deads to aid the bottom half of the lift. Which do you think would help my deadlift more? Speed pulls focus on speed and are a lighter weight, so I'm less likely to burn myself out, but doing deficit certainly has its advantages.
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    « Reply #1 on: January 08, 2012, 07:43:51 AM »

    Platform: The Halting Deadlift


    Deficit deadlifts would also work i suppose.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 07:50:46 AM »

    http://www.criticalbench.com/deadlift.htm

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    5) For the bottom half of the Deadlift-

    Some deadlifters struggle getting the weight right off of the floor. If this is the case then set the pins to about knee level and lift off the floor to the pins. This will work the bottom phase of the deadlift. The weight you use on these probably won't be as heavy, but as you strengthen the bottom phase of the lift, the weights will increase with time.


    http://www.dieselcrew.com/how-to-deadlift-deadlifting-techniques

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    With all this talk about lockout strength, how does one strengthen the bottom of the lift?  Nothing is better then the deadlift off a box.  Stand on a box that allows the bar to almost touch the tops of the feet.  Keep your form the same as you would if pulling a regular deadlift, only now you must get the hips much deeper to initiate the pull.  Everything stays the same!  You will find you will have to use much less weight to perform this lift.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 08:18:36 AM »

    Do you reset between reps or do you "touch n go"?
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    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2012, 09:08:14 AM »

    Thanks Soc and Merc! Very interesting material!

    Do you reset between reps or do you "touch n go"?
    I always reset, otherwise I'd probably end up doing something that looks way too much like a SLDL.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 09:15:47 AM »

    Thanks Soc and Merc! Very interesting material!

    Do you reset between reps or do you "touch n go"?
    I always reset, otherwise I'd probably end up doing something that looks way too much like a SLDL.

    Smart move.  Reseting between reps allows you to recover and mentally prepare and focus on the next rep to come.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 07:31:22 AM »

    Bottom part of the lift is primarily hamstrings and low back. So anything to strengthen those areas..

    Glute Hams, Reverse Hypers, Seated Goodmornings for low back, Standing Goodmornings for low back and hamstrings. Would probably be some of the best exercises.
    If you've been having trouble for awhile, possibly try switching to sumo for a couple weeks and go back to pulling conventional, or the other way around of course.

    Speed deadlifts are a great help to (obviously) help you pull faster, just make sure you do them correctly, most people assume you just lower the weight and thats it, and they are still at 70% 1rm, which afaik isn't the most beneficial way, although Westside for example did used to do it this way.
    They do it with 30-55% 1rm, 20-45 seconds rest and generally 10sets of 3.

    This is your main lift for that day, don't do speed work and then regular deadlifts or something, you will feel pretty damn tired anyway if you did it properly. Dynamic and Maximum effort are done on different days for a reason.

    Also for your assistance work, generally it's accepted to keep the reps a little higher, say 6-8 rather than singles or triples.

    Edit; Almost forgot; http://www.wannabebig.com/training/deadlift-5-plates-like-a-champion/
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    « Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 08:02:34 AM »

    I used to have the same problem. I completely quitted doing regular deadlifts and replaced them by doing (high) deficits. When I went back to regulars, my DL kinda flew up in weight.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 08:55:34 AM »

    Excellent article Alsavier! It will definitely help!
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    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2012, 09:14:58 AM »

    Good I'm glad! Helped me out too.
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    « Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 03:17:20 AM »

    You can try 1/4 deadlifts, 1/2 deadlifts deadlifting from the floor to break this plateau.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 04:57:10 AM »

    I used to have the same problem. I completely quitted doing regular deadlifts and replaced them by doing (high) deficits. When I went back to regulars, my DL kinda flew up in weight.

    ^This. Try deficit Deadlifts man Smiley
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    « Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 11:46:23 AM »

    deadlift from a box/platform will help your beginning of a normal deadlift.

    Dietmar Wolf (Norwegian national coach) suggest this, and so does all the longtime active lifters at my gym.

    Use a 5-10cm platform like a weight plate

    the blue 20kgs are often used at my gym

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