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    « on: November 02, 2011, 11:38:39 PM »

    For starters - those of you who don't know of, or haven't heard the name John Broz, please go to youtube and look at his channel (Brozknows).  He is a coach that is breeding absolute MONSTERS of the lifting world.  Pat Mendez is a beast, and the recently returned Rob Adell is a strong bastard as well.  All of his trainees are, honestly.

    The Method

    In a nutshell - "Train, eat, sleep, repeat."  Every day.  Or at LEAST 6 days per week.  Insane?  YES! But there is a large amount of science backing up his claims that overtraining is only a temporary issue.

    (Reference to that fact has already been made in a post by Nicky here; Overtraining, myth or reality?)

    Also mentioned in Nicky's post was the fact that most lifters that adopt this method of training are lifters who really only lift.  It is their job, it is their hobby, it is their life, and they treat it accordingly.  They eat like monsters, and sleep a LOT.  How else is any sort of recovery possible?  Regular/casual lifters avoid this kind of glorious torture because of various constraints.

    Intentions/Dreams

    Though I am a full time student, and have many other interests than lifting (though it is an obsession and passion), I desperately want to try this style of training, if for no other reason than to test my own limits.  As mentioned earlier, John Broz's trainees are absolute beasts, each and every one.  Even the smaller lifters are at an elite level - the larger ones pushing crazy numbers on a regular basis.  Pat squats a routine, DAILY 250kg single without batting an eye.

    I have decided to give this kind of training a shot, knowing full well that there will be a few weeks, or even a couple months of the "Dark Times" to go through, where my lifts will suffer, my mood will be shot, and walking to the bathroom will be more intimidating than a 1000 pound pull.

    Foreseeable Problems/Routine Changes

    I am NOT an Oly lifter.  I tried clean/jerk.  I tried snatches (I liked those, though).  I cannot do them well enough and do not know ANYONE qualified to coach me and help me learn proper form.  What I am beginning to get a grasp of is basic powerlifting.  I will want to do a routine more like this-

    Day 1
    -Front Squats
    Work up to 1RM, then back off sets: 2-10 reps up to a max of 50 reps total with a minimum of 3 sets of 2.
    -Bench (Normal Grip)
    Work up to 1RM, then back off sets: 2-10 reps up to a max of 50 reps total with a minimum of 3 sets of 2.
    -Pull Ups/Chin-ups
    To discretion - for general shoulder health/balance, so reps between 5-10

    Day 2
    -Squats
    Work up to 1RM, then back off sets: 2-10 reps up to a max of 50 reps total with a minimum of 3 sets of 2.
    -Deadlift
    Work up to doubles or triples, 60 -85% of max.  I will max out rarely, 2-3x per year, due to CNS reasons and the general idea that speed pulls will assist motor recruitment.

    Day 3
    -Front Squats
    -Push Press
    -Barbell or Dumbell Rows (Depending on how my lower back feels).  Again, for general shoulder health/balance.  I will generally keep the volume roughly the same as the opposite movement (pushes/pulls)

    Day 4
    -Squats
    -Deadlifts

    Day 5
    -Squats
    -Bench (Normal Grip)
    -Rear Flyes, just as another form of rear delt balance that doesn't have anything to do with pulling.

    Day 6
    -Squats
    -Deadlifts

    Day 7 (Eventually)
    -Squats
    -Maybe something else

    I know.  Insane.  I know.  I won't be jumping straight into that kind of intensity/volume right away, but the frequency will be rapidly increased.  I will probably start with 5DAW (I already do 4DAW), then increase it to 6DAW the following week, keeping it there until the volume becomes more manageable.  At this point, I will start adding in a Sunday session just to squat.

    I'm desperately wanting to try this in the new year of 2012.  Is there anyone interested in joining me?  Or does everyone still reading at this point think I'm insane as my room mate does?
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    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 11:48:14 PM »

    man,

    you might find that routine overwhelming. why? because it is designed for olympic lifting.

    having said that. Cheesy

    you may want to start with a 3 day a week m/w/f, then making it an monday AM PM wed AM PM fri AM PM, then slowing adding one more routine on t th and sat. Smiley

    i'm interested in this because i did this back in college, i wonder how it'll affect you - as you're going to do not olympic lifts. Smiley

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    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 11:54:34 PM »

    You might find that routine overwhelming.

    Oh, absolutely!  If I jumped straight into that kind of workload, it would chew me up and spit me out.  For the first few weeks, I would only be training with any kind of serious weight 3-4 days out of the week.  The supplemental sessions would be done with light, light weights (40-50%) until my body began to understand the stresses I would put on it.

    i'm interested in this because i did this back in college

    Really?  How did you like it?  How effective was it for you, and what kind of training were you doing?  Olympic lifting? Bodyweight training?
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    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 12:03:28 AM »

    You might find that routine overwhelming.

    Oh, absolutely!  If I jumped straight into that kind of workload, it would chew me up and spit me out.  For the first few weeks, I would only be training with any kind of serious weight 3-4 days out of the week.  The supplemental sessions would be done with light, light weights (40-50%) until my body began to understand the stresses I would put on it.

    i'm interested in this because i did this back in college

    Really?  How did you like it?  How effective was it for you, and what kind of training were you doing?  Olympic lifting? Bodyweight training?

    yes.  i liked it - everyday at the college gym Cheesy.  it helped improve my technique and lifts.  Olympic lifting.

    word of warning though.  get a massage every so often. >.<
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    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 12:04:51 AM »

    Awesome, man, that's pretty cool =) 

    And duly noted, about massages; I'll do what I can to get one regularly.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2011, 01:59:44 AM »

    It's going to be hard at first but the body get used to the increased stress pretty quickly. Maybe you should still take the 7. day for the rest only?

    I can train my legs everyday now, I'm not doing squats but I bicycle 26km/weekday, do 2 different martial arts 3-4 times a week which both involve lots of legwork, then do lots of jumping and deadlifts(haven't been doing them for a while though) etc exercises in addition to all the other stuff. My legs are never sore.Only "tired", feel heavy sometimes if you know what I mean. So what I'm talking about is that even though you would squat way too much, if you get your legs used to that, you can keep doing that safely with no greater chance to injure yourself.

    So I'd say definitely give it a shot but don't rush it, getting injured is not something you want to happen.
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    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 07:08:44 AM »

    You should program the number of a local taxi company.. you'll be needing it a lot from traveling to the bathroom and back with this routine man Wink lol
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    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 07:18:24 AM »

    Very intresting, keep us posted Cheesy
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    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 07:24:36 AM »

    Don't do it. I have seen your videos. This would be an extremely bad idea for you to do that. Actually, it's a bad idea for almost everybody. Please do a more reasonable routine, like dodo's FBW or upper / lower splits.
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    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 09:11:03 AM »

    Don't do it. I have seen your videos. This would be an extremely bad idea for you to do that. Actually, it's a bad idea for almost everybody. Please do a more reasonable routine, like dodo's FBW or upper / lower splits.

    I'm not taking offense, but what exactly is that supposed to mean?  "I have seen your videos," in particular.  Are you implying that I have bad form and would get injured, etc?  A lot of my videos are old, and I have long since worked out major kinks in my form. 

    As for being on a reasonable routine, I've been doing standard FBW and upper/lowers for almost a year with great success, no silly routines.  I am just an intensely curious person, which is why I am so intrigued by the effectiveness of this training style.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 09:14:07 AM »

    Don't do it. I have seen your videos. This would be an extremely bad idea for you to do that. Actually, it's a bad idea for almost everybody. Please do a more reasonable routine, like dodo's FBW or upper / lower splits.

    I'm not taking offense, but what exactly is that supposed to mean?  "I have seen your videos," in particular.  Are you implying that I have bad form and would get injured, etc?  A lot of my videos are old, and I have long since worked out major kinks in my form. 

    As for being on a reasonable routine, I've been doing standard FBW and upper/lowers for almost a year with great success, no silly routines.  I am just an intensely curious person, which is why I am so intrigued by the effectiveness of this training style.


    I say try it, you have to try things before you can say it doesn't work. So I say try it and give it your best Wink
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    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 09:19:27 AM »

    Don't do it. I have seen your videos. This would be an extremely bad idea for you to do that. Actually, it's a bad idea for almost everybody. Please do a more reasonable routine, like dodo's FBW or upper / lower splits.

    I'm not taking offense, but what exactly is that supposed to mean?  "I have seen your videos," in particular.  Are you implying that I have bad form and would get injured, etc?  A lot of my videos are old, and I have long since worked out major kinks in my form. 

    As for being on a reasonable routine, I've been doing standard FBW and upper/lowers for almost a year with great success, no silly routines.  I am just an intensely curious person, which is why I am so intrigued by the effectiveness of this training style.

    Let me apologize, I wrote too quickly, I thought it was amatella (now he will be pissed Tongue). No, your form looks solid from what I have seen.
    I think this type of training would be incredibly effective if your body can take it, but I wager that it will wreck the body of 99% of natural lifters or more. Pretty elite. I don't recommend squatting that often. You could burn out fast, or be fine for years, but you would likely end up with permanent damage and pain as you get older. Still, I know that everybody is free to do what they want to their bodies, but I just want to wave a large warning flag here Wink
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    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 09:27:54 AM »

    No, your form looks solid from what I have seen.

    I think this type of training would be incredibly effective if your body can take it, but I wager that it will wreck the body of 99% of natural lifters or more.  You could burn out fast, or be fine for years, but you would likely end up with permanent damage and pain as you get older. Still, I know that everybody is free to do what they want to their bodies, but I just want to wave a large warning flag here Wink

    I do appreciate the concern/warning flag waving, and I have observed you definitely have a good knowledge/experience foundation to wave it from.  If anything, I would only be trying out this method of training for 6 months or so before dropping back to a slightly less taxing version of it.

    It may not even happen, on account of a busy schedule and some necessary traveling, but it is something that I've had my eye on and been doing my homework on for a while now.  I am just always inspired/intrigued by people who push the limits of the body.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 09:40:36 AM »

    No, your form looks solid from what I have seen.

    I think this type of training would be incredibly effective if your body can take it, but I wager that it will wreck the body of 99% of natural lifters or more.  You could burn out fast, or be fine for years, but you would likely end up with permanent damage and pain as you get older. Still, I know that everybody is free to do what they want to their bodies, but I just want to wave a large warning flag here Wink

    I do appreciate the concern/warning flag waving, and I have observed you definitely have a good knowledge/experience foundation to wave it from.  If anything, I would only be trying out this method of training for 6 months or so before dropping back to a slightly less taxing version of it.

    It may not even happen, on account of a busy schedule and some necessary traveling, but it is something that I've had my eye on and been doing my homework on for a while now.  I am just always inspired/intrigued by people who push the limits of the body.

    Thank you. If you do go ahead, here's what I would recommend:
    make sure you don't try the original as it is, i.e. don't max out on squats everyday. Just have some very light squat sessions in between heavy days.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 09:42:02 AM »

    Oh, and Broz insists on squatting every day, twice a day. No days off. He thinks you increase the risk of injury with days off.
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