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    « on: January 05, 2012, 11:55:23 AM »

    Found it around on the pendlay forums, and wanted to bring the discussion to this forum to see people's bewildered takes on it:

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    day 1,2,3,4,5,6: squat to max (best weight at perfect competiotion technique) + back off sets of minimum 3x2, upto max of 50 reps. going back upto max or beyond if the weights start to feel light enough

    day 1,3,5 bench press to max (2 wide,1 close grip)+ back off sets (quantity will need some experiment because I have not tried with bench in over 10 yrs)

    day 2,4,6 deadlift 2-3 x 10 sets all from floor. vary % based on positions and back health

    If you are gonna train 4x/wk then day 5&6 will be in the next week.

    any assistance rehab/bodybuilding such as pullups, dumbell flyes etc should follow at the end as well as grip work based on how you feel. These are optional and should be done at discresion

    Most importantly- speed is ALWAYS the priority! When squatting and pulling getting up fast is soooo important, as well as the bench. Doing the press quickly to generate power is key too. going slow with light weights is a big NO NO!!

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    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 12:05:30 PM »

    So for squats I guess it's only high-bar but why so high reps on deads?
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    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 12:07:39 PM »

    Not high bar--whatever competition form you use.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 12:08:56 PM »

    But if you use low-bar that stimulates a pull wouldn't that be overkill with the deadlifts?
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    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 12:10:36 PM »

    Is it?  I mean, 2/3 of the lifts use the posterior chain.  It makes sense to train it hard right?  I once read that you have to PUNISH the back of your body.  back, triceps, hamstrings, etc to be strong.  The front is different. Interesting split/way to think about it. 


    Also the DL's are substantially sub maximal.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 12:14:07 PM »

    Is it?  I mean, 2/3 of the lifts use the posterior chain.  It makes sense to train it hard right?  I once read that you have to PUNISH the back of your body.  back, triceps, hamstrings, etc to be strong.  The front is different. Interesting split/way to think about it. 


    Also the DL's are substantially sub maximal.

    I'm sorry I didn't understand the last part about the DL's what do you mean, English is not my native language Cheesy.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 12:26:42 PM »

    I think this is more applicable for those who do speed squats and deadlifts as well as bench where you lift as fast as you can with weights you're able to lift within 50-60 percent.  And a special day where you try to do max effort to see if your max on core lift improves.

    I tried the linear progression for a month everyday, with squats bench and deadlifts.  It does not work well if one goes over one's 90 percent max, but will work if one does waves.

    Like if I do squats today with 100 kg for 5 reps, tomorrow, I should do one rep, then 3 reps the next day, and then 5 again the day after that, rather than aiming to increas automatically to determined my max.  Of course, another way to look at it is if I already know my one rep max, and I'd lift and try to max out just below 90 percent of such each day, which is doable too. :3

    While I did gain lots of strength from doing so, I observed that having lessened the days I'm lifting actually allowed me to adapt to the weight.  2 max lifts per week.  And rotating the lifts per week. :3

    The better idea if you plan to do this is to take korte's approach.  You choose one core lift and max at it in a certain day and do the others with less volume or weight, and then on the next day, you try to max on another lift. Thus the cycle continues.

    Another approach is to base one's recovery on the 72 and 48 hour principle. 72 for lower body and 48 for upper body

    Monday squats/deadlifts Hevy
    Tuesday Bench light
    Wednesday rest
    Thursday Bench heavy
    Friday Squats/deadlifts Light
    Saturday Bench light
    Sunday rest

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    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 12:46:16 PM »

    definitely not for me.  i wouldn't be able to max out a lift more than once a week, i've learned from experience. Tongue
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    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 07:51:27 AM »

    This must be the template Broz's lifter Jacobi Jordan followed similarly or most likely. The major flaw in it is that it doesn't allow one to address their weaknesses optimally. I heard once of a powerlifter who did a Bulgarian system based program and had some success, but nothing major. Vasily Alekseyev (R.I.P.) said he followed he figured out his programming on his own. Yeah of course many Oly lifters have had success with the Bulgarian template, but think about it... All of the top dogs in the Olympic weightlifting team TAKE STEROIDS. So you give the bulgarian template a try, then you stall for a month or longer.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »

    I'd go with Westside methods any day.
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    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 09:01:51 AM »

    Looks stupid to me, powerlifting isn't Olympic lifting and powerlifters aren't Olympic lifters. Give that program to a powerlifter and they're going to destroy themselves with it. Especially as the powerlifts are much more taxing than Olympic lifts - even the powerlifting squat is harder on the joints, tendons etc. than the Olympic squat. If you're going to squat to max every day (which I think is awesome) don't make it "squat on these days come hell or high water", make it "squat whenever you feel up to it". I know I bitch about sissy bodybuilders a lot, but the opposite of that is the bull-headed powerlifter who'll stick to the program no matter how burnt-out he is or how much his back hurts.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 09:22:27 AM »

    Looks stupid to me, powerlifting isn't Olympic lifting and powerlifters aren't Olympic lifters. Give that program to a powerlifter and they're going to destroy themselves with it. Especially as the powerlifts are much more taxing than Olympic lifts - even the powerlifting squat is harder on the joints, tendons etc. than the Olympic squat. If you're going to squat to max every day (which I think is awesome) don't make it "squat on these days come hell or high water", make it "squat whenever you feel up to it". I know I bitch about sissy bodybuilders a lot, but the opposite of that is the bull-headed powerlifter who'll stick to the program no matter how burnt-out he is or how much his back hurts.

    I thought you would actually be the first to jump in and say that it can be done, np  Grin Well, this is a  nice surprise. And yes, if you're going to squat very frequently, make it high bar, Olympic style squat, I agree with that.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 09:25:30 AM »

    Edited.
    NB sets x reps is the convention Smiley
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    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 09:28:59 AM »

    I don't really get the point of working the deadlift with 10 rep sets every single time for a powerlifter  Huh?

    I agree.  Sets of 3-4 would be fine, so long as they are sufficiently lighter than a 1RM.  Doing 3-4 reps with your 6RM weight would prevent absurd CNS fatigue and overall slowdown. 

    I have taken a look at this template before, and was highly tempted to try it until I was talked out of it by friends.  I think it's very interesting, and will certainly test anyone's limits of physical and mental endurance.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 09:50:37 AM »

    I don't really get the point of working the deadlift with 10 rep sets every single time for a powerlifter  Huh?

    I agree.  Sets of 3-4 would be fine, so long as they are sufficiently lighter than a 1RM.  Doing 3-4 reps with your 6RM weight would prevent absurd CNS fatigue and overall slowdown. 

    I have taken a look at this template before, and was highly tempted to try it until I was talked out of it by friends.  I think it's very interesting, and will certainly test anyone's limits of physical and mental endurance.

    I think I got it wrong, it must be 10 sets of 2 - 3 reps.
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