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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2009, 09:04:18 AM »

I understand what you mean about doing more training during the course of the week on for example your biceps. If you have a dedicated day where you do 4 exercises with 3x10 while over the course of the week doing a full body you might do twice the amount. My question is if I do for example 3 sets of curls I won't really be fatigued and since you need to be properly fatigued to achieve hypertrophy is this really the best case for people like myself who are looking for muscle mass? I'm not sure if I really made myself clear, hopefully I did.
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2009, 09:31:43 AM »

It's true that you need some fatigue for hypertrophy. But for a fatigue, you don't have to train a muscle until it's dead . You should stimulate your muscles, not damage them. You get enough stimulation and fatigue just doing full body workouts too, but not ABSOLUTE fatigue which would leave your muscles in absolute pain for 2 days, making you have to let them rest for a week. Actually you don't even need to do 3-4 exercises to kill a muscle if you believe that's the best way to train. You can do it just with a single set too. Get a weight that you can do 6 reps with, do 6 reps but don't stop. Do 2-3 forced reps, followed by partials & negatives. Rest&pause for 10 seconds and lift it to failure & beyond it once again. Then do drop sets and do the same things with that lighter rep. Finally, drop it once more and do it again (forced reps/negatives/isometrics/rest&pause). It's technically one advanced set containing a few techniques and it would fatigue that muscle pretty much and would leave most people in pain for days. But is it right way to train? No. You drop the weight, which also means you sacrifice intensity&volume. Your endurance will suck, your metabolic rate will slow down and you'll lose motivation if you keep doing this on a regular basis. So fatigue is not the only thing. I believe the total volume at the end of the week is what really matters. And to keep intensity & volume balanced, you need to avoid absolute fatigue.
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2009, 09:57:03 AM »

So basically what you are saying is that if you are doing 5-8 reps for three sets during your full body, that is enough fatigue for hypertrophy? I just want to make it absolutely clear.
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2009, 10:14:52 AM »

5 reps for three sets would work for pure strength (that's 15 reps in total). For hypertrophy, aim to do 25-40 reps per exercise. So if you do heavy weight, do 5x5 (25 reps in total), if you do 8 reps, do 8x4, if you do 12 reps, do 12x3. Combination of all will keep you growing. Personally, I even did 3 reps of 10 sets (you'll need supersets for that, or it will take too long). Had I stopped at the 5th set, I'd have got strength gains but my goal was also hypertrophy at that time, so I had to do more reps. So total reps in total matter. If you do 5 reps for three sets or three reps for five sets, it will be good for strength. You need higher volume for hypertrophy, that's why I recommend 25-40 reps per exercise in total. That doesn't mean you should get a light weight that you can do 40 reps in a row. If you want to get bigger, you need to train above 60% of your 1 rep maximum. Preferably between 70-85%. Sometimes you can set an unloading week and work light, like 20-25x2, 15x3, etc., for keeping endurance in check, shock your muscles, increase your tolerance to lactic acid and avoiding overuse of joints. But generally, stay in 70-85% of 1RM and aim to do 25-40 reps in total (the lighter you work, the more reps in total you should execute).
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2009, 12:20:47 PM »

Thank you Dodo that was great, that really cleared some stuff up for me.
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2009, 04:57:30 PM »

great article, i never even though of full body workouts as a way to train, even though it seems like a more natural way to train seeing that humans had to use their whole body to survive and not just one part per day  Tongue
anyways i read a nice article on this topic talking about the benefits of both full body and split training summing up its benefits and importance of both types, kinda helps us who are still trying to create a good workout routine.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/full_body_vs_split_training
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    « Reply #36 on: November 09, 2009, 09:28:17 AM »

    Er, this is kinda embarrassing...will someone please enlighten me on what full body- and split workouts actually are? Are split workouts with isolation exercises, or what?  Grin another dumb question brought to you by the Not-So-Smart One Smiley
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    « Reply #37 on: November 09, 2009, 09:30:04 AM »

    From the FAQ:

    Split: Dividing your workout between muscle groups (back, legs, arms, upper body, lower body etc.)
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    « Reply #38 on: November 09, 2009, 09:36:43 AM »

    So if I have understood this correctly:

    Split workout: One major muscle group per workout
    Full body workout: Every major muscle group gets worked out on every workout session
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    « Reply #39 on: November 09, 2009, 09:41:05 AM »

    So if I have understood this correctly:

    Split workout: One major muscle group per workout
    Full body workout: Every major muscle group gets worked out on every workout session

    Pretty much. I use this formula (for now):

    Workout A: Squats, bench press, pull ups, dips, abs

    Workout B: Squats, military press, deadlifts, chinups, abs

    I alternate the 2 over 3 days each week.
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    « Reply #40 on: November 09, 2009, 10:23:05 AM »

    So if I have understood this correctly:

    Split workout: One major muscle group per workout
    Full body workout: Every major muscle group gets worked out on every workout session

    Pretty much. I use this formula (for now):

    Workout A: Squats, bench press, pull ups, dips, abs

    Workout B: Squats, military press, deadlifts, chinups, abs

    I alternate the 2 over 3 days each week.

    and apparently you're getting great strength gain from it. really really nice stuff. let's see what that routine will do for me Cheesy
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    « Reply #41 on: November 12, 2009, 07:22:26 AM »

    So if I have understood this correctly:

    Split workout: One major muscle group per workout
    Full body workout: Every major muscle group gets worked out on every workout session

    Pretty much. I use this formula (for now):

    Workout A: Squats, bench press, pull ups, dips, abs

    Workout B: Squats, military press, deadlifts, chinups, abs

    I alternate the 2 over 3 days each week.

    and apparently you're getting great strength gain from it. really really nice stuff. let's see what that routine will do for me Cheesy

    I need to take some new pics...maybe I'll do that tonight before I eat.
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    « Reply #42 on: December 02, 2009, 02:40:10 AM »

     I am a 20 year old who has been working out off and on ever since high school.  I played basketball in high school so that has always kept me in decent shape.  The problem is I am not blessed with genes that allow me to eat however I like or not workout often and still have a chisled body.  I am 6'1 about 190.  I am looking for advice on a full body workout I can do since I am now in college and can only get to the gym about three days a week.  I do have a gym membership so I do have access to equipment.  Also I play pick up basketball regularly for cardio.  just feel like no matter how much I work out I can not achieve the lean muscular body I want.  Please advise me on a full body workout (chest,triceps,back,biceps,legs,shoulders,ABS!!,and love handle/obliques) ,a diet I should follow, and the correct supplement I should take.  I have been taking different types of supplements that are suppose to help build lean muscle according to gnc employees but have never found the right one to stick with.  Also I have never taken protien like many of my friends because I am afraid it will pack on more mass then I would like and believe that due to my build I should be able to put muscle on without more mass.  This is a desperate plea for help after years of frustration and working out hard with little results! THANK YOU for your time and help.
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    « Reply #43 on: December 29, 2009, 12:41:21 PM »

    Can someone explain what the exercise "woodchop" is.  I am not familiar with that.  Sounds like one I would like to try.
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    « Reply #44 on: December 29, 2009, 12:44:08 PM »

    Can someone explain what the exercise "woodchop" is.  I am not familiar with that.  Sounds like one I would like to try.
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