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« on: October 21, 2011, 08:21:15 AM »

So I am giving my knees a break. I have doing too much playing sports, squatting 3xs per week and running. My knees have been hurting so bad that I decided I am done until my knees get better, I have already seen a big improvement in a week.

The question is how do I lift If I can't do squats,deads, pc's or push presses. I really hate isolations but I need to work out. Is there a way that I could do a split routine that consists of compounds? I don't really know what to do just looking for ideas so my knees can heal.

Thanks Y'all
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    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 08:23:14 AM »

    are you good to go? that is, did you ask your physician's advise if you're able to lift?

    may i know how old you are? if yes, please state your age.

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    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 09:05:42 AM »

    33. I just need to figure out a routine with out Squats and deads-Makes it hard since those exercises were the staple of my routine.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 09:10:09 AM »

    mr. dashin,

    but your physician says you're okay to do other exercises?
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    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 09:18:45 AM »

    This has nothing to do with my physician. My knees have been giving me grief from all the usage, so I am giving them a break.

    I have not consulted my physician regarding my knees or any other lifts. Smiley
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    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 09:26:44 AM »

    if you're having problems with your knees, then it's best to ask a physician, because they're the experts.

    in any case - if you're looking for a workout w/o those lifts, then you should check scooby's workouts in his webpage, because scooby doesn't include those in his workouts.

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    Please get that checked up by a physician. Smiley 

    www.scoobysworkshop.com/index.htm
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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 01:48:25 AM »

    So I am giving my knees a break. I have doing too much playing sports, squatting 3xs per week and running. My knees have been hurting so bad that I decided I am done until my knees get better, I have already seen a big improvement in a week.

    The question is how do I lift If I can't do squats,deads, pc's or push presses. I really hate isolations but I need to work out. Is there a way that I could do a split routine that consists of compounds? I don't really know what to do just looking for ideas so my knees can heal.

    Thanks Y'all


    Hey man.
    I do a split with all compounds atm, and it goes well. You basically just choose a body part and only do compounds for that body part (or body parts) simple.
    So my upper body days are;


    Chest/Tricep
    Bench
    Incline dumbell
    Jm press

    Back/Bicep(no bicep isolations, they get plenty doing chins)
    Chins
    Rows (2 variations)
    either dumbell, barbell, pendlay, inverted, any. Wink

    Shoulders
    Press
    Dumbell Standing Press

    All compounds, JM press, is a isolation but a damn useful one. Hence why powerlifters do it. Wink
    Elitefts.com: ONE Movement - JM Press


    There you have it, do this routine for a couple weeks till the knees are better.
    You don't have to, it's just a brief look into what a split with compounds looks like.
    I generally do lots of sets, example
    Press 5x5
    Standing Dumbell Press 5x5 or 8x4 etc

    Hope this helped.



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    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 02:43:50 AM »

    Seated press, bench press, incline bench, chest supported rows on a bench or table, chinups/pullups, pullovers etc. Maybe neck bridges from the hips with some weight on your stomach, I don't know.

    MercNil, physicians are NOT experts. I had trouble with my knees for a long time and nothing doctors told me or prescribed me helped. I had to figure out what was wrong by myself through almost two years of trial and error. Quit spreading this shit. I can honestly say that I trust random internet forums and my own gut feelings more than so-called "experts" after having had bursitis seven or eight times as well as unexplained knee pain every day for about a year. OP is doing the right thing.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2011, 01:59:31 PM »

    Alsavier and Helmut,Thanks for ACTUALLY answering my question!

    Alsavier I like the routine. Do I still stay in the heavy low rep ranges 4-6? Also I wonder if I should be working out the hammies while I am taking this break or just leave the legs alone all together?
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    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2011, 02:05:49 PM »

    If your knees are as bad as you say, leave them out altogether, theres a case for "they'll get used to it" but if yours have gotten worse just from general overuse just leave them be. Glute ham raises could be a option, but the purpose of this next couple weeks was to give them a break, so Imo, do just that!

    And yes! The whole point of the extra sets is so that you can still grow below the hypertophy rep range; http://www.askscooby.com/advanced-bulking-up-and-gaining-muscle/growing-below-hypertrophy-rep-range/
    Read that, it's a great article.

    Keep it heavy! I do sets of 5 generally, if joints don't feel great maybe 4x8 of a 10rep weight, to still train but to chill out slightly (rarely happens.)
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    « Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 10:28:04 PM »

    You can manage a version of Westside for Skinny Bastards III without squats or deads (I have had to with the equipment that is or rather, isn't available to me). Skip out on the jumping and you'll save your knees a lot of grief there.
    I'd also checkout
    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/18_tips_for_bulletproof_knees;jsessionid=DF39D35B7F28B87B975CE6155873835F-mcd02.hydra
    http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/blog/knee-pain-basics-part-1/
    And
    http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/blog/knee-pain-basics-part-2/

    See if this sounds like you at all
    http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/blog/avoiding-knee-pain-in-the-gym/

    I mean it might just be that you are beating the crap outta your knees, or that you've stuck to a certain deadlift variation too long as that can really wear on you but in any case I hope things workout for you
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    « Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 01:07:47 PM »

    Paralysis-
    Very helpful Thanks!
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    « Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 01:13:05 PM »

    Strengthen your glutes. Give pull-through's and single-leg exercises a go, when your knees will have had enough rest.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 18, 2011, 02:19:35 PM »

    I say take some time off all together. Stop lifting, stop running, stop everything. Keep a daily stretching routine just to stay flexible, but take a couple weeks off from activity and let your body recover. Watch movies, surf the web, read, etc. The basic formula for treating most knee injuries is RICE - Rest, Ice, Compression, and Elevation. But any doctor will tell you the most important component of that treatment is rest.

    If two weeks from now you have no pain, go back to whichever activity is most important to you, but only that activity. Take it easy and see how your body responds for a couple of weeks before you take it any further. You can't reasonably expect your knees to hold up squatting, running, and playing sports on a weekly basis. Each of those on their own can fatigue your joints depending on how hard you are pushing it. Doing all three together is going to take its toll.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 18, 2011, 11:46:54 PM »

    Are you any better yet? It's been a month, honestly if your knees still hurt I think it's not just overuse. Maybe muscle imbalances or meniscus.
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