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« on: October 12, 2011, 04:50:58 PM » |
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How did you learn to do squats, deadlifts and bench press. If you can please provide the information that you used such as videos or articles since I need to brush up on my form. Thanks!  |
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japadi
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 10:48:50 PM » |
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Do ALOT of reps. You probably won't get the form perfect on the first time but no worries, just keep at it. Elitefts's videos and articles helped me aton, check them out.
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joe101
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 12:20:02 AM » |
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^all good links. Also I started very light and got the form down and gradually increased. I seem to remember having trouble keeping good form at 50kg on my deadlift at the start! Now I can easily deadlift 130kg But of course my technique is by no means perfect on any lift. You can always improve it and this is something you will do over many years of practise. Btw I see technique and form as two very different things. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 12:21:47 AM » |
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^all good links. Also I started very light and got the form down and gradually increased. I seem to remember having trouble keeping good form at 50kg on my deadlift at the start! Now I can easily deadlift 130kg But of course my technique is by no means perfect on any lift. You can always improve it and this is something you will do over many years of practise. Btw I see technique and form as two very different things. why? how? i ask because it'll be nice to learn about your perspective. i rank technique as number 1 and sometimes mix the two terms as something similar. |
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 12:32:06 AM » |
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Ok I'll expand. Btw this is just how I see it.
Form is absolutely necessary to the exercise. If you don't have good form then it doesn't count as a rep (swinging the weight, not using full ROM etc). Bad form can be dangerous too. Rounding the back on the squat or deadlift for example.
However, you can have good form but not good technique.
Technique is more to do with how efficiently you perform the exercise to lift the most weight. For example, a person could bench press with good form (ie it's a perfectly valid and safe rep) but with bad technique. So they would neglect the need to engage the lats, the back wouldn't be arched etc.
Hope that explains what I mean. Any opinions?
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 12:36:47 AM » |
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i think you're using two words for the same thing
because in performing a bench press for example, the technique or form in executing it requires one to have tight grip, lats, arch, and gluts. may be what you mean is performing the whole thing consistently. either way, it's still valid points, because it ensures a great way to craft why and how to execute the lift.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 08:49:27 AM » |
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I learned the big 5 (the Press and the Row are just as important as the other 3 IMO) using all the Youtube videos everyone has already posted, and by reading Starting Strength 2nd Edition multiple times.
The youtube videos were a good introduction, but things didn't really gel in my mind until I bought a physical copy of Starting Strength and read through it several times. During the first month or so of barbell training, I kept a check list of the form for each movement on the wall of my garage and I would review it every session before starting my sets. I would also re-read certain sections later in the day after I had worked out. That helped a lot.
Now, it is becoming instinct to start from head to toe and mentally check each section of my body to make sure it's in the right spot before I start the first set. Not to say my form is perfect. I know it still needs work, but that's only going to come through consistency and repetition. You can't read a book or watch a video and _know_ how to squat - you have to do a thousand reps or more before you develop the muscle memory to just lock in the form without thinking about it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 11:42:46 AM » |
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Oh so it basically follows bruce lee's saying?
" You can't learn to swim if you don't go into the water"
You must actually perform the exercise to be able to learn it right.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 11:52:39 AM » |
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Oh so it basically follows bruce lee's saying?
" You can't learn to swim if you don't go into the water"
You must actually perform the exercise to be able to learn it right.
Well of course. You cant say you know how to squat if all you did was read books. You need to get under the bar and solidify your knowledge by connecting a cue to a movement such as sit back or drive your ass up. |
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« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 12:29:21 PM by xX2BrothersXx »
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Progress LogGoals for May 24, 2012 [ ] Deadlift 225lbs [ ] Squat 200lbs [ ] Bench 150lbs [ ] OHP 100lbs [ ] Row 90lbs
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 12:23:03 PM » |
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Oh so it basically follows bruce lee's saying?
" You can't learn to swim if you don't go into the water"
You must actually perform the exercise to be able to learn it right.
Correct. With the Squat specifically, I find it's very hard to make sure I'm putting the pressure on the same part of my foot from one rep to the next. It's easy to say "drive your heels through the floor", but when I've got a intimidating chunk of weight on my back and I'm focusing on a half dozen things at once, sometimes the weight comes forward onto the balls of my feet before I even realize I was setup wrong. Then I'm pressing with my quads more than my hips and glutes. Still other times I'm focusing so intently on leaning back enough to press with my heels that I wind up trying to track my knees directly forward instead of out in line with my toes. That creates torque on the knees and I'm already squatting through some painful scar tissue in my left knee. Still other times I get all of that stuff right only to realize I didn't get the bar perfectly centered, so now the left is just a tiny bit heavier than the right and I have to compensate by pushing harder with my left leg. Oh, and I have to remember to push my stomach out like I'm making a silly pregnant belly instead of sucking it like a crunch which helps keep me more stable under the bar. But then I realize I'm letting my head drop because I'm too concerned with my foot placement and that throws me off all the other stuff.................  In other words, it just takes practice to bring all these different systems into balance and get it right consistently. There's a reason people say the Squat is the king of all exercises, even more so than the Dead Lift. And each of these movements are nearly as complicated as the Squat, with their own check list of things you need to do to create good form. Barbell training is waaaaaaaaay harder than isolation work. I can see now why Nautilus equipment got so popular. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 01:12:02 PM » |
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I find watching the videos have helped me the most. I really struggle to concentrate on reading, anyone else have this same problem?
Also I feel like I'm being taught when watching videos whereas with reading SS for example I feel like I'm teaching myself. The information I get from videos is much more clear to me and I try to remember when performing the exercises.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 01:42:19 PM » |
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I find watching the videos have helped me the most. I really struggle to concentrate on reading, anyone else have this same problem?
Also I feel like I'm being taught when watching videos whereas with reading SS for example I feel like I'm teaching myself. The information I get from videos is much more clear to me and I try to remember when performing the exercises.
Yeah I feel the same sometimes. What I do is watch the video and use the reading as support for the visual. So if they say spread the knees apart in the video I use anything in the reading as supporting info. Helps me focus a ton better. Learn off the video and support with the book instead of learn from the book and support with the video. |
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