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« on: December 03, 2011, 08:22:22 AM » |
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Topic, some say it's a no no having your knee in front of your toes some say it BS, can someone clear this up for me? Thanks  |
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2011, 08:57:19 AM » |
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King Neptune
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2011, 09:25:13 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 09:29:48 AM » |
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Good read, thanks for posting |
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 10:59:18 AM » |
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Another thing is to consider what type of squat you do.
Generally a powerlifting style squat will keep the knees inline with the toes, because you bend at the hip shoving your ass behind you.
Where as a olympic squat, theres more knee bend and your knees will come infront, generally.
All in all, it's no problem if they come infront of your knees.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 03:59:07 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 06:17:30 AM » |
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In a nutshell:
If you are low bar squatting, you lead with your hips - sitting back into the squat and as such your shins remain relatively vertical.
If you are high bar squatting, you lead with your knees and keep your torso relatively vertical and as such your knees will be far out in front of your toes. Similar to a front squat.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 07:11:49 AM » |
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In a nutshell:
If you are low bar squatting, you lead with your hips - sitting back into the squat and as such your shins remain relatively vertical.
If you are high bar squatting, you lead with your knees and keep your torso relatively vertical and as such your knees will be far out in front of your toes. Similar to a front squat.
No, wait, don't lead with your knees, you still need to sit back a bit. Leading with the knees too much would still be bad and lead to spine and knee trouble. You just break naturally and simultaneously at both the hips and knees, as opposed to trying to break at the hips first and the knees eventually following. That applies to both high bar and front squats. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2011, 04:33:20 AM » |
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I've always found it helpful to think of it as breaking at the knees. The hips will break simultaneously naturally anyway. But then again, I'm mostly a low bar squatter so I need cues to stop me from sitting too far back into a squat.
I guess it's different for everyone.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2011, 05:28:15 AM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2011, 06:19:58 AM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2011, 09:28:44 AM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
The two statements are not really the same... The first is largely dependant on a persons anthropometry where as the second is advice that can be given to anyone. The weight should be evenly distributed over the foot though. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2011, 07:15:34 PM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
I'm by no means an expert on squats but this is pretty ludicrous. How can you say that knees going past the toes is dangerous when you do skateboard squats? I agree that one should push through the heels when squatting but you don't really present any useful information that's based on science or legitimate experience. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2011, 10:32:19 AM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
This is the take home point here with which I agree. Depending on individual leg segment length ratio, your knees may go over your toes a bit, but that's usually for the taller folks. Normal sized people (average) will generally be able to keep their knees behind or at their toes. What we DON'T want is the knees shooting far past the toes for anyone. This what I think Scooby was referring to. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2011, 12:34:22 PM » |
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These two statements are equivelent:
1) dont let your knees go in front of your toes
2) keep your weight on your heels
Try it. Its not possible to get your knees in front of your toes with your CG over your heels.
If your knees are going in front of your toes you are doing a "knee squat" which can easily mess up your knees. A proper squat has you moving your butt back to sit on that imaginary chair.
Dont think about knees and toes, its too hard to do and can distract you. I find its far simpler and better to focus on where your weight is because you can feel that with your eyes closed. If your weight is on the balls of your feet then you are in trouble. If your weight is on your toes, call 911 now. If the weight is on your heels, you are good.
This is the take home point here with which I agree. Depending on individual leg segment length ratio, your knees may go over your toes a bit, but that's usually for the taller folks. Normal sized people (average) will generally be able to keep their knees behind or at their toes. What we DON'T want is the knees shooting far past the toes for anyone. This what I think Scooby was referring to. Yep, I'm tall so my knees do go past my toes, no matter how much I sit back. |
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