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    « on: October 06, 2011, 10:05:56 AM »

    I'm currently on a strength routine of my own making and I've finally exhausted the 3x5. I've plateaued on almost all my lifts even after several deloads. So I think it's time for a re-jig. I'm going to try the 5/3/1 method. Here's my current routine:

    AxBxAxxAxBxA

    Workout A
    Squat 3x5*
    Bench 3x5*
    Clean 3x3
    Chinup 2x8

    Workout B
    Front Squat 3x5*
    Press 3x5*
    Deadlift 1x5*
    Chinup 2x5
    Dip 2x8

    *exercises I want to incorporate 5/3/1 into.

    My question is, how would I incorportate 5/3/1 into this? I want to keep the exercises roughly (if not exactly) the same but change the rep ranges. I'm not sure if I would do 3x5 first week for EVERY *exercise then 3x3 the next week for EVERY exercise etc. This would mean doing 3x3 then 3x5,3,1 twice in a week for squat and bench. Is this wise?

    Sorry if this makes no sense, I probably haven't explained it well!

    Thanks for listening Smiley
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    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 10:20:18 AM »

    5/3/1

    5. 3x5 - 1 week
    3.  3x3 - 1 week
    1.  1x5, 1x3, 1x1+ - 1 week  (the plus 1 means, one set as many reps as you can and you use this to recompute your working weight for the next cycle)
    deload week 3x5 - 1 week
    repeat ^_^


    it's based on non-linear periodization where you compute the percentages based on the 90% of your 1rep max by computing ((weight x rep x .03333)+weight)x.9= working weight.

    week 1.  working weight x.6
    week 2.  working weight x.65
    week 3.  working weight x 7 (pr making week ^_^)
    week 4.  Deload new working weight x .4
    (my own addition as to percentage, you may choose what works for you - then back to week 1)

    it's recommended to have a deload week after the .7 thing +1.

    you may use your own calculation for the percentage, this is something i've found to work for me.

    ex. squats - 3x5: 1) 1x5 at .6; 2) 1x5 x .6.5; 3) 1x5 x.7
    original squats - 3x5: 1) 1x5 at .65; 2) 1x5 x .75; 3) 1x5 x .85

    3x3: 1) 1x3 at .7; 2) 1x3 x.8.; 3) 1x3 x .9

    1x5/3/1: 1) 1x5 x.75; 2) 1x3 x .85; 3) 1x1+ x.95

    Tongue

    the idea is to use the following exercises: a) squats; b) bench; c) deadlifts; and d) overhand press. However, you may apply the same to other exercises, which makes this system very flexible. ^_^

    basics

    4 days a week
    m - op
    t - dead
    th - bench
    f - squat

    twice a week (my own thing)

    m - sq/b

    thursday - deadlifts/op

    or original

    m - b

    th - sq

    next week

    m - op

    th - dead

    repeat

    once a week

    A sq/b
    B d/op

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    i underlined the important part.  just apply it to your routine or adopt jim's original routine. ^_^

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    the reason behind doing one lift a day is to supplement it with assistant exercises.  it's optional.

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    lifting once a week requires no deloading ever. Tongue

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    conditioning? cardio. ^^
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    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 09:50:44 AM »

    Thanks for the reply.

    So taking the squat as an example, I would do:

    Week 1
    3x5 monday and friday

    week 2
    3x3 monday and friday

    week 3
    3x5,3,1 monday and friday

    week 4
    3x5 deload monday and friday

    Reason I ask is because maxing out twice in a week in week 3 seems like it would be very taxing. I guess that's why you need the deload after it.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 10:35:14 PM »

    Thanks for the reply.

    So taking the squat as an example, I would do:

    Week 1
    3x5 monday and friday

    week 2
    3x3 monday and friday

    week 3
    3x5,3,1 monday and friday

    week 4
    3x5 deload monday and friday

    Reason I ask is because maxing out twice in a week in week 3 seems like it would be very taxing. I guess that's why you need the deload after it.

    buy you won't be maxing out, only setting personal records.  and you shouldn't be setting more than one personal record in a day on your chosen lift. Smiley
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    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 11:26:27 PM »



    buy you won't be maxing out, only setting personal records.  and you shouldn't be setting more than one personal record in a day on your chosen lift. Smiley


    Why not? ;-)
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    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 11:36:19 PM »



    buy you won't be maxing out, only setting personal records.  and you shouldn't be setting more than one personal record in a day on your chosen lift. Smiley


    Why not? ;-)

    5/3/1's working weight is based on 90 percent of one's 1rep max.

    at most when you set a pr, you'll be lifting  1rep max * .9 * .95 = 100*.9*.95 = 85.5 (87.5 adjusted) Smiley

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    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 11:54:35 PM »


    All right,that's true.
    But after some cycles you will do them anyway!
    Rep PRs and 1RMs
    Especially in Week3
    This of course only in the original programming!

    Happy Lifting!
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    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 11:55:36 PM »

    true, eventually one's .9x.95 will be one's previous 1rm. Smiley
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    « Reply #8 on: October 09, 2011, 12:02:31 AM »

    true, eventually one's .9x.95 will be one's previous 1rm. Smiley

    :-)
    When I check my next cycle I will be able to do
    Rep PR for press,deadlift&bench
    And a 1RM max for squat
    All in week 3
    IF I manage it....
    If I "survive"cycle4 I'll be in REPPR wonderland all the time..:-)
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    « Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 01:27:59 AM »

    Right that's cleared that up. So it's basically 1 rep with enough weight so that you just maintain good form.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 02:04:13 AM »

    Exactly!
    When form breaks down you should count it as failed rep
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    « Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 03:02:26 AM »

    Yes, we only count an effectively executed form, not failed ones.  Smiley
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    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2011, 06:31:51 AM »

    I thought the 531 wasn't supposed to run weekly. It was supposed to be four workouts, which are completed by exercising three times a week?

    This best illustrates my understanding of it http://muscleandbrawn.com/wendlers-531-powerlifting-system/

    The best bet, if you are going to do it, is buy the book. Stick to the set exercises, and choose your assistance based on your weaknesses.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2011, 07:27:06 AM »

    I thought the 531 wasn't supposed to run weekly. It was supposed to be four workouts, which are completed by exercising three times a week?

    This best illustrates my understanding of it http://muscleandbrawn.com/wendlers-531-powerlifting-system/

    The best bet, if you are going to do it, is buy the book. Stick to the set exercises, and choose your assistance based on your weaknesses.


    what do you mean by not running weekly?

    four times a week?  - this is what's written in his book - one exercise per day and assistant exercises. Smiley

    b - bench
    s - squat
    o - op
    d - deadlift

    BSXODXX - one week - one  per day - that which is optimum in his book.

    Jim's 3 x a week version.

    BXSXOXX
    DXBXSXX
    OXDXBXX
    SXOXDXX

    2 x a week version

    monday - S and B
    thursday - D and O

    1 x a week

    Monday - SB
    next monday - DO
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    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 10:38:07 AM »

    My mistake. Just had a look and it does say 3 or 4 days a week.

    You can use the 5/3/1 method by training either 3 or 4 days per week. This is determined by
    your schedule and what works best for you. Training four days a week seems to fall in line with
    most training programs. In my experience, either way works well. When I train three days per
    week, I get much more motivated to train the lifts, and I recover much better. Here’s how to do
    it:
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