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    « on: November 20, 2011, 06:48:18 PM »

    Lets say someone decides to venture in the O-world. Any program you guys recommend. I know google works, but im lazy  Tongue
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    « Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011, 12:24:07 PM »

    First off, you should definitely train with the two olympic lifts (snatch and clean & jerk) of course. Then, you need to think about what else you need to put in your routine to make those lifts better. I don't know much about olympic lifting but these are some of the exercises I'm guessing are good for olympic lifters:

    Overhead squat
    Hang clean
    Overhead press
    Front Squat

    I also think that the back squat, deadlift and bench press are good for building and maintaining some overall strength. Plyometrics might be considered as well since the olympic lifts are rather explosive.

    I'd like some input on this, the subject is something I'll gladly discuss and learn about. Smiley
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    « Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 12:25:56 PM »

    A coach is needed in that situation Smiley
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    « Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 12:28:42 PM »

    Indeed, but it would be nice if those who know a little about olympic lifting (if there's anyone here...) would share their knowledge and/or experience.
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    « Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 12:32:23 PM »

    The least technical lifts are hang power cleans and hang power snatches
    http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/OlympicLifts/HangPowerClean.html
    http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/OlympicLifts/HangPowerSnatch.html
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    « Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 01:20:55 PM »

    If I knew the olympic lifts and had the right equipment/area to do them in then I'd probably try the broz training method of working up to 7 days a week training
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    « Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 05:37:25 PM »

    http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Weightlifting.html

    some basic routines here. 
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    « Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 07:52:39 PM »

    First off, you should definitely train with the two olympic lifts (snatch and clean & jerk) of course. Then, you need to think about what else you need to put in your routine to make those lifts better. I don't know much about olympic lifting but these are some of the exercises I'm guessing are good for olympic lifters:

    Overhead squat
    Hang clean
    Overhead press
    Front Squat

    I also think that the back squat, deadlift and bench press are good for building and maintaining some overall strength. Plyometrics might be considered as well since the olympic lifts are rather explosive.

    I'd like some input on this, the subject is something I'll gladly discuss and learn about. Smiley


    I don't think Bench press and deadlift are useful for oly lifting. Neither have i seen any coach recommending them.
    And overhead squats are the most fucking brutal exercise in the world!  Evil
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    « Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 08:02:27 PM »

    Lets say someone decides to venture in the O-world. Any program you guys recommend. I know google works, but im lazy  Tongue

    Learn clean and snatch step by step-
    High hang pull -> High hang clean -> Low hang pull -> Low hang clean -> Power clean ------> Full clean.

    Don't know about snatch progression but i guess the same method can be used for it too.

    As for a routine, it should definitely have these exercises-
    Front squats
    High-bar back squats
    Strict press/push press
    & some rowing movement for shoulder health, Pendlay rows probably

    Before these you practice the progression for clean and snatch.
    Maybe AxBxAxBx where on A workout you practice clean progression  & on B workout you practice snatch progression.

    As for Intensity, volume and stuff, You should be training with about 80% of 1RM for the assistance exercises and keep the volume low.
    As for clean and snatch progression i suggest working with the empty olympic barbell for many months for getting the technique right.

    Happy lifting Smiley
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    « Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 02:35:23 AM »

    Check these out:

    http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=15909&highlight=texas+method+olympic

    http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2010/02/getting-into-weightlifting-part-3/
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    « Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 02:56:26 AM »

    A simple single progression routine would be like this:

    Week 1  once a week to twice a week (first workout will be to measure your working weight).

    Day 1

    1) Snatch x 10 : 10 reps with the bar, increase weight until you're no longer able to do 10 reps in to the next set - that will be your working weight for a 2 x 10.

    2) Front squats x 10 : same as above

    3) Clean and Jerk x 10 : same as above.

    Day 2

    Forms day - 50-70 percent of your working weight

    warmup up with 10 reps with just the bar

    3 x 5,5,3 or 1 sets of 5, 1 set of 5, 1 set of 3 - 50, 60, 70 percent of your working weight.

    Week 2  two days

    1st day Heavy day (snatch, front squats, clean and jerk) 3-5 minutes between sets, 5-15 minutes between exercises.
    Warmup 10 reps with just the bar.

    50 percent of your working weight x 5

    75 percent of your working weight x 5, another set x 3.

    90 percent of your working weight 5 singles.

    70 percent of your working weight 2-3 sets of exercise as much as reps before failure.

    Day 2 Light day

    warmup up with 10 reps with just the bar

    3 x 5,5,3 or 1 sets of 5, 1 set of 5, 1 set of 3 - 50, 60, 70 percent of your working weight.

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    You progress by completing the 5 heavy singles. If you're unable to do 5, stick to weight next time.

    The light day helps you recover quickly. Smiley

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    Another way to go about it, assuming you've figured out your working weight, is to do periodization.

    warmup as above stated

    week 1 -2 x 10 of those three mentioned  3 x a week. Increase weight

    week 2 - 2x 8
    Monday (increase weight on snatch), front squats, clean jerk - same
    Wednesday (10 rm snatch), (increase front squats), clean - same
    Friday (10 rm snatch), (10rm front squats), (increase clean and jerk)

    Ex.  100+2.5 snatch, 140, 120.
    100, 140+2.5, 120
    100, 140, 122.5

    The reason is that you'll get to focus on one lift per day and won't tire out easily.

    week 3 - 2x 6

    week 4 - 2x 4

    week 5 - 2x 2

    week 6 - 2x 1 (rarely needed, unless you're competing, or your ego lifting)

    repeat week 1 - see if your 2 x 10 increased Smiley
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    « Reply #11 on: November 26, 2011, 02:57:12 PM »

    Mercnil, where did you get this info from?
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    « Reply #12 on: November 26, 2011, 03:04:46 PM »

    I made it.

    It's based on the concept that there should be a heavy day and a light day. Smiley

    It's a simple cycle.  You can edit the percentage as you see fit. Cheesy

    Example.

    For me 657 works. (where did I get that number?  that's the plate number of my car).

    warmup with working weightX.8X.5 = 1-4 reps.  First rep done slow, speed increase per each single done. Then

    60 percent of working weight 1-5 reps.

    50 percent of working weight 1-5 reps.

    70 percent of working weight 1-5 reps + grind 10 ten reps. Smiley Progressive overload.

    If working weight = 100 kg for front squats.

    100x.8x.5 = warmup weight = 40 kg. Smiley

    1st set 60 kg
    2nd set 50 kg
    3rd set 70 kg - aim for number of reps where upon computing, the total > 100 kg.

    100<((70XrepX.0333)+70))

    If total > than 100, then increase working weight next time by 5%.  If no, then change working weight by 100X.95.

    It's a 2 step forward 1 step back thing. Smiley
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    « Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 07:24:07 PM »

    Merc's routine looks pretty good but if you want to venture into olympic lifts a coach is necasary. If you were to learn these on your own it would take months of practice to be able to do these properly with out a coach.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 26, 2011, 08:50:02 PM »

    Merc's routine looks pretty good but if you want to venture into olympic lifts a coach is necasary. If you were to learn these on your own it would take months of practice to be able to do these properly with out a coach.

    But you do agree one can learn it themselves though it would take a lot of time, right?
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