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« on: December 04, 2011, 05:17:52 PM » |
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High all, I was trying out sumo deads the other day and they actually felt quite nice. It wasnt really the full on summo tho because I deadlift in my power cage more like semi sumo. But the pull felt pretty good. Its difficult for me with conventional to sit back with my hips for some strange reason.
SO, my question is, does anyone here do sumo deads in place of conventional ? Is it possible to replace conventional with sumo? I do my deadlifts RPT style btw
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 05:18:47 PM » |
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<-- This guy does semi-sumo deadlifts. I replaced conventional with it, and also train RPT =p
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 06:39:47 PM » |
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I did do semi sumo deadlifts instead of conventional, mainly because I was too unflexible for conventional deadlifts. Sumo deadlifts thrash the hip flexors IME, so semi sumo felt like the best way to do it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 06:47:26 PM » |
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What is RPT style btw?
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 06:50:38 PM » |
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What is RPT style btw?
Reverse Pyramid Training. Light warm-up, then start with the heaviest sets first and ramp down. Example: Bench Press: 45x10 --> 95x10 185x4 165x6 145x8 |
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 07:04:06 PM » |
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Hi* all
LMAO just called everyone on here high.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 11:32:29 AM » |
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Yeah, I do. I never thought of it but when I joined the gym recently the coach said I pull so wide I might as well pull in a sumo style. They do sometimes give me pain in the hip flexor area, but not near as bad as Pendlay rows. And yeah, I don't see why you couldn't do them instead of regular deadlifts unless you're not flexible enough.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 01:07:51 AM » |
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I wouldn't just replace them 1:1 though. Sumo DLs and Regular DLs are quite different from muscles worked so I would definitely recommend Glute Ham Raises or a similar exercise to still hit the posterior chain hard (don't tell me Squats are enough, cause by that logic we wouldn't be doing DLs at all ;P)
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 11:37:38 AM » |
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Sumo deadlifts don't work the posterior chain?
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 11:55:40 AM » |
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Sumo deadlifts don't work the posterior chain?
They hit mine pretty darn effectively. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 12:17:18 PM » |
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For me it is simply a matter of mobility/flexibility. I have very tight hamstrings and hip flexors, and my set up in a conventional stance causes a very serious rounding of the lower back.
I have experimented with rounding of the upper back while keeping a flat/arched lower back, like Andy Bolton or the other guys that pull that way, but it just makes me feel unsafe.
Full sumo shouldn't be a 1:1, but semi-sumo is much closer, IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 12:20:40 PM » |
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Yes, probably a good compromise.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 06:48:26 AM » |
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notice the arch feels MUCH more comfortable for me in this position than my previous dl vids that were conventional. its an awesome compromise because its SAFE. feeling safe = better gains because youre more comfortable to push it to the max!
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Goals for November 2011:
Squat: 265 1 rm *success 2/6/11* New goal 285 1 rm
Deadlift: 405 1 rm, Current 300 x 5
Bench: 195 1 rm *2//9/11 New Current 1 rm = 200 New Goal = 225
Overhead Press: 135 1 rm
Row: 175 x 5 (strict)
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 10:01:06 AM » |
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It's a matter of the ratio between certain body lengths (torso, back, arms, legs). For some people the leverage is better with the sumo style, for some the conventional style is better. I'd really experiment with them and see which works best for you. You shouldn't force conventional deadlifts just because most people are doing them, the sumo style is just as good. For people who understand German there's a little article here, including a way to measure whether you're a candidate for the sumo style or not: http://k3k.de/pages/training/deadlift/dl2.html. I don't think you need to do anything extra if you do another style. Everything should be worked similar enough. |
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