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    « Reply #30 on: January 02, 2012, 05:06:59 AM »

    @yoyoman.. interesting.. may I ask where you got that info from? I want to read more! Smiley

    Also, how would the progression go for that 3x5 work? is it monthly add 5-10lbs?

    I have Wendler's 2nd Ebook Edition of 5/3/1 and just pasted it from the PDF.
     
    I also have the first edition and the Powerlifting edition  Grin. I have got great knowledge form all three books and recommend all of them to anyone (powerlifting edition far more greared to plftrs obviosly).

    I have trained for quite a few years, starting off with SS and Madcow and have been doing 5/3/1 for best part of last year. Its a brilliant way to train and my lifts are still going up over time. Being flexible with the accessory training keeps things fressh every month or so too which is good. Currently doing it the PLifter way (3/3/3 first week, 5/5/5 second week 5/3/1 last week of cycle) which works well.

    Personally, I would recommend SS and MAdcow for beginners as it so easy. BUT Wendler's suggestion for how to do 5/3/1 for beginners via a full body routine (the one I posted) is worth trying too - its very similar to Madcow/SS.

    As Wendler keeps saying, don't overthink it. Just pick a programme and stick with it. SLow progression.

    I think it's more similar to korte's 3x3. Hehehe. OP.  Keep at it. :3
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    « Reply #31 on: January 02, 2012, 05:13:01 AM »

    @yoyoman.. interesting.. may I ask where you got that info from? I want to read more! Smiley

    Also, how would the progression go for that 3x5 work? is it monthly add 5-10lbs?

    I have Wendler's 2nd Ebook Edition of 5/3/1 and just pasted it from the PDF.
     
    I also have the first edition and the Powerlifting edition  Grin. I have got great knowledge form all three books and recommend all of them to anyone (powerlifting edition far more greared to plftrs obviosly).

    I have trained for quite a few years, starting off with SS and Madcow and have been doing 5/3/1 for best part of last year. Its a brilliant way to train and my lifts are still going up over time. Being flexible with the accessory training keeps things fressh every month or so too which is good. Currently doing it the PLifter way (3/3/3 first week, 5/5/5 second week 5/3/1 last week of cycle) which works well.

    Personally, I would recommend SS and MAdcow for beginners as it so easy. BUT Wendler's suggestion for how to do 5/3/1 for beginners via a full body routine (the one I posted) is worth trying too - its very similar to Madcow/SS.

    As Wendler keeps saying, don't overthink it. Just pick a programme and stick with it. SLow progression.

    I think it's more similar to korte's 3x3. Hehehe. OP.  Keep at it. :3

    Haha.  I guess its quite different to MAdcow and SS.... I meant similar as in 3 x a week focusing on main lifts (OP instead of bent row in this case) squating multiple times a week iwth varying intensity. Similar in it being simple and effective.
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    « Reply #32 on: January 02, 2012, 05:18:20 AM »

    @yoyoman.. interesting.. may I ask where you got that info from? I want to read more! Smiley

    Also, how would the progression go for that 3x5 work? is it monthly add 5-10lbs?

    I have Wendler's 2nd Ebook Edition of 5/3/1 and just pasted it from the PDF.
     
    I also have the first edition and the Powerlifting edition  Grin. I have got great knowledge form all three books and recommend all of them to anyone (powerlifting edition far more greared to plftrs obviosly).

    I have trained for quite a few years, starting off with SS and Madcow and have been doing 5/3/1 for best part of last year. Its a brilliant way to train and my lifts are still going up over time. Being flexible with the accessory training keeps things fressh every month or so too which is good. Currently doing it the PLifter way (3/3/3 first week, 5/5/5 second week 5/3/1 last week of cycle) which works well.

    Personally, I would recommend SS and MAdcow for beginners as it so easy. BUT Wendler's suggestion for how to do 5/3/1 for beginners via a full body routine (the one I posted) is worth trying too - its very similar to Madcow/SS.

    As Wendler keeps saying, don't overthink it. Just pick a programme and stick with it. SLow progression.

    I think it's more similar to korte's 3x3. Hehehe. OP.  Keep at it. :3

    Haha.  I guess its quite different to MAdcow and SS.... I meant similar as in 3 x a week focusing on main lifts (OP instead of bent row in this case) squating multiple times a week iwth varying intensity. Similar in it being simple and effective.

    Yes, you are correct. :3

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    « Reply #33 on: January 02, 2012, 06:44:45 AM »

    Have you ever thought that, this person is lactose intolerant and that he doesn't even have enough money to buy the food he needs? Not every one has the ability to train under the right conditions, but i made do with what i could and gained more then what i expected to gain. I've read the SS book and i have his video collect and learned a lot from, and i know my form is good for a fact because ive had an actual power lifter check me out. Yes i know 5/3/1 is advanced and i do not consider myself an advanced lifter, i have the book 5/3/1 and ive read it a couple of times and it says there is nothing wrong with using at as a novice, that only thing thats going to happen is progression is going to be slow which would suite my current status.

    Dude when I started going to the gym my only income was from an allowance, and my allowance was less than the combined cost of my gym membership and cost of milk, so I was steadily losing money. One month the gym membership couldn't be paid because there wasn't enough money in my account! My point is that if you want something enough you find a way to do it, which may mean getting a job. Are you actually lactose intolerant or is that just a hypothetical excuse?

    An ACTUAL powerlifter you say? My apologies

    You can go ahead with 5/3/1 if you want but at 3000 calories a day I wouldn't be surprised if even that failed you
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    « Reply #34 on: January 02, 2012, 08:02:32 AM »

    http://www.elitefts.com/documents/5_3_1.htm

    The origin of 5/3/1 and why Jim decided to make it. :3
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    « Reply #35 on: January 02, 2012, 01:40:08 PM »

    Have you ever thought that, this person is lactose intolerant and that he doesn't even have enough money to buy the food he needs? Not every one has the ability to train under the right conditions, but i made do with what i could and gained more then what i expected to gain. I've read the SS book and i have his video collect and learned a lot from, and i know my form is good for a fact because ive had an actual power lifter check me out. Yes i know 5/3/1 is advanced and i do not consider myself an advanced lifter, i have the book 5/3/1 and ive read it a couple of times and it says there is nothing wrong with using at as a novice, that only thing thats going to happen is progression is going to be slow which would suite my current status.

    Dude when I started going to the gym my only income was from an allowance, and my allowance was less than the combined cost of my gym membership and cost of milk, so I was steadily losing money. One month the gym membership couldn't be paid because there wasn't enough money in my account! My point is that if you want something enough you find a way to do it, which may mean getting a job. Are you actually lactose intolerant or is that just a hypothetical excuse?

    An ACTUAL powerlifter you say? My apologies

    You can go ahead with 5/3/1 if you want but at 3000 calories a day I wouldn't be surprised if even that failed you

    Yes i am actually lactose intolerant, there are no jobs in my town which is why im on whats called "The benefit". I get $250 a fortnight to pay rent and buy food as well as paying of my student loan from when I was studying last year, and i may end up studying again this year so i can get a higher qualification in Electrical Engineering so that i have a better chance of finding a job/apprenticeship. Sometimes if im lucky i get a weeks worth of work from an Electrical firm that even then doesnt pay much because im not paying tax on it. Im trying my best to make do with what i can, my diet is not the best but i buy what will give me what i need, potatoes, rice, eggs and cheap week old veges and fruit because thats all i can afford, and if i spread it out enough i can make a 3000cal diet for 2 weeks and still add weight on to my lifts. This is all because i decided to drop out of a school a year earlier, the reason being is because i was not going to go to school anymore just to fail 2-3 classes every year.

    Im not asking for your sympathy, i was merely asking for advice to clarify what i already thought would be ok. Instead of having to nag on my Mate.

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    « Reply #36 on: January 02, 2012, 07:47:30 PM »

    That's tough.  Not many will understand what you're going through.  But keep it up and hang on.
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    « Reply #37 on: January 16, 2012, 12:23:27 PM »

    I haven't read the thread, but this calculator may prove handy.

    http://blackironbeast.com/5/3/1/calculator
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    « Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 12:22:21 AM »

    5000 calories?

    i would turn into a fatty in a matter of weeks...
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    « Reply #39 on: January 18, 2012, 12:28:07 PM »

    5000 Cals
    OMG I don't know how someone can eat that much.
    I'll be dying in matter of days from 1Gallon of milk.
    Is there any program that let me eat less?
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    « Reply #40 on: January 18, 2012, 12:29:58 PM »

    Just eat when your hungry.
    Imo if your training is sufficiently badass 3500ish will be standard, and quite easy to obtain each day. Hard, and I mean HARD training is very demanding and the body will tell you it needs those extra calories.
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    « Reply #41 on: January 26, 2012, 03:06:21 PM »

    what i dont get about that 5/3/1 is the reps.. 6-12reps are for producing muscle mass (his program is in that range or if reading the description, he says it doesnt matter how many reps as long as u get tired after the set).

    but its supposed to be a strength program & muscle strength is 1-3reps per set.
    i havent tried that workout yet (i rise more in strength at the moment. +20kg bench these past 2months for example but thought about being skinny & trying the 5/3/1 during the summer cos i want strong muscle).

    i know this is kind of a matter of what I should do, but with the rep thing, im sure this will benefit the topic one way or another Smiley
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    « Reply #42 on: January 26, 2012, 04:40:02 PM »

    what i dont get about that 5/3/1 is the reps.. 6-12reps are for producing muscle mass (his program is in that range or if reading the description, he says it doesnt matter how many reps as long as u get tired after the set).

    but its supposed to be a strength program & muscle strength is 1-3reps per set.
    i havent tried that workout yet (i rise more in strength at the moment. +20kg bench these past 2months for example but thought about being skinny & trying the 5/3/1 during the summer cos i want strong muscle).

    i know this is kind of a matter of what I should do, but with the rep thing, im sure this will benefit the topic one way or another Smiley
    His program does utilize strength parameters.
    First week ramps up to 5 rep training max. Second weeks up to 3 rep training max. Third week up to a 1 rep training max. Fourth week is deload, which I think is very light sets of 5.
    Assistance work is 5x5-10, so maybe that's what you're thinking about. For assistance work, you're not going to go up to a 3 RM because that's not the point of them and could lead to overtraining. The assistance work is meant to strengthen weaker muscles or muscles that help support one of the big lefts. It also helps with hypertrophy, which is beneficial to lifting large weights.
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    « Reply #43 on: January 26, 2012, 11:41:23 PM »

    I think, you should just deload, have a good rest pig out. Continue on 5x5 till, you reach point where you can no longer make progress. Sometimes it's your mind saying: This is impossible, while body could do it with proper mind connection. Once you really reach to the point, where you have no regrets you should go for 5/3/1 program.

    On the other point of view: From what I can see people claim that 5/3/1 is not for beginners, it's true that it's not for true beginners. But you can make progress with that aswell, a bit slower but progress non the less.

    Eitherway whichever you do, it's all good as you know your body the best.
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    « Reply #44 on: January 27, 2012, 09:48:21 AM »

    what i dont get about that 5/3/1 is the reps.. 6-12reps are for producing muscle mass (his program is in that range or if reading the description, he says it doesnt matter how many reps as long as u get tired after the set).

    but its supposed to be a strength program & muscle strength is 1-3reps per set.
    i havent tried that workout yet (i rise more in strength at the moment. +20kg bench these past 2months for example but thought about being skinny & trying the 5/3/1 during the summer cos i want strong muscle).

    i know this is kind of a matter of what I should do, but with the rep thing, im sure this will benefit the topic one way or another Smiley

    His program does utilize strength parameters.
    First week ramps up to 5 rep training max. Second weeks up to 3 rep training max. Third week up to a 1 rep training max. Fourth week is deload, which I think is very light sets of 5.
    Assistance work is 5x5-10, so maybe that's what you're thinking about. For assistance work, you're not going to go up to a 3 RM because that's not the point of them and could lead to overtraining. The assistance work is meant to strengthen weaker muscles or muscles that help support one of the big lefts. It also helps with hypertrophy, which is beneficial to lifting large weights.


    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/how_to_build_pure_strength

    its up to 5reps (2-5reps are for explosive strength)
    also the other exercise on his basic program seem to be more of covering other important parts (like rowing) & yes some dips & chinups for example, but they say no % of the 1RM so i suppose they are to go as hard on as possible ?
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