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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 09:07:14 AM » |
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Behind the neck puts alot of un needed stress on your rotators, and the ONLY advantage is that you will use more medial delt in this press. So if you want to risk blowing out a shoulder go ahead.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 09:12:11 AM » |
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Could go fairly light on the exercise, but it's still hard, if that makes sence? Never going to failure or something like that, and always, always with a spotter.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 09:23:46 AM » |
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Behind the neck puts alot of un needed stress on your rotators, and the ONLY advantage is that you will use more medial delt in this press. So if you want to risk blowing out a shoulder go ahead.
i honestly don't understand why anyone would risk so much for such a small benefit (no hate - just surprised) |
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 09:26:36 AM » |
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To me the risk reward ratio is too far on the risk side. But some people choose to "know better"... then get hurt and wonder why LOL ohh well frees up more space in the gym for me  |
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 09:59:46 AM » |
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The fact that it worked for him doesnt mean it will work for you. Neither it means you will have his shoulders if you do what he does. Stick to a routine that works for YOU.
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Goals for the end of 2012/current 5RM
Squat 160kg/117kg
Deadlift 200kg/133kg
Bench press 120kg/95kg
Press 80kg/55kg
Barbell rows 120kg/87kg
Pull ups/Chin ups 12 reps @ 76kg
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 11:32:06 AM » |
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That's reg park.  Simply do reg park's 5x5 if that's your goal. :3 It is Steve Reeves. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 11:44:08 AM » |
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That's reg park. Simply do reg park's 5x5 if that's your goal. :3 It is Steve Reeves. I stand corrected. Thanks. :3 Here's Reeves - to the letter:
Reeves Routine
Monday-Wednesday-Friday
Deltoids
Upright Rowing - 3x8-12 (130-120-110)
Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (standing) (wide grip)
Bent-over Laterals - 3x8-12
Chest
Bench Press - 3x8-12 (wide "collar to collar" grip) (225-215-205)
Incline Press - 3x8-12 (45 degrees)(wide "collar to collar" grip)
Flat Dumbell Flys - 3x8-12 (palms forward) (65)
Lats
Lat Pulldowns Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (wide grip) (225)
Seated Cable Row - 3x8-12 (150)
One-Arm Dumbell Row - 3x8-12 (80)
Biceps
Standing Barbell Curl - 3x8-12
Incline Dumbell Curl - 3x8-12 (45 degrees) (w/stop bar) (65-50)
High Pulley Bench Curl - 3x8-12
Triceps
Tricep Pressdowns - 3x8-12 (straight bar)
2-Arm Dumbell French Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12* (70)
Lying Dumbell Extensions - 3x8-12 (45s)
(One-Arm Dumbell Cross-face extensions - 3x8-12 (Db to Delt)*)(*Alternate)
Legs
Squats - 3x8-12 (to bench) (board under heels) (300)
Hack Squats - 3x8-12
Front Squats - 3x8-12 (150)
Leg Curls - 3x8-12
Calves
Leg Press Calf Raises - 4x20 (400-350-300-250)
Seated Good Mornings - 3x8-12
Neck
Neck - 3x15 (Back)/3x15 (Front) http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/steve-reeves-routine-290279.html |
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 11:54:11 AM » |
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That's reg park. Simply do reg park's 5x5 if that's your goal. :3 It is Steve Reeves. I stand corrected. Thanks. :3 Here's Reeves - to the letter:
Reeves Routine
Monday-Wednesday-Friday
Deltoids
Upright Rowing - 3x8-12 (130-120-110)
Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (standing) (wide grip)
Bent-over Laterals - 3x8-12
Chest
Bench Press - 3x8-12 (wide "collar to collar" grip) (225-215-205)
Incline Press - 3x8-12 (45 degrees)(wide "collar to collar" grip)
Flat Dumbell Flys - 3x8-12 (palms forward) (65)
Lats
Lat Pulldowns Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (wide grip) (225)
Seated Cable Row - 3x8-12 (150)
One-Arm Dumbell Row - 3x8-12 (80)
Biceps
Standing Barbell Curl - 3x8-12
Incline Dumbell Curl - 3x8-12 (45 degrees) (w/stop bar) (65-50)
High Pulley Bench Curl - 3x8-12
Triceps
Tricep Pressdowns - 3x8-12 (straight bar)
2-Arm Dumbell French Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12* (70)
Lying Dumbell Extensions - 3x8-12 (45s)
(One-Arm Dumbell Cross-face extensions - 3x8-12 (Db to Delt)*)(*Alternate)
Legs
Squats - 3x8-12 (to bench) (board under heels) (300)
Hack Squats - 3x8-12
Front Squats - 3x8-12 (150)
Leg Curls - 3x8-12
Calves
Leg Press Calf Raises - 4x20 (400-350-300-250)
Seated Good Mornings - 3x8-12
Neck
Neck - 3x15 (Back)/3x15 (Front) http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/steve-reeves-routine-290279.htmlReeves' routine all that in 1 day? seriously? |
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 04:24:04 AM » |
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Well, to my surprise there was a brand new curl bar waiting for me in the gym, so I could try this out while looking in the mirror for form.
1st Set was okay with the behind the neck, but it didn't feel natural.
2nd Set was already fatiguing the front delts, and behind the neck became a problem, so I'm not gonna bother with it no more.
I did some xtra sets with wide grip upright row instead.
First time I ever had pump in the delts!
Left delt wasn't pleased, but has always been weak.
Can't wait for tomorrow, to see if I get any doms or other effects.
It was all done with just the bare bar, keep in mind. Form at this stage is important for me, and well, as my left already complains now, no need to follow the ego just yet.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 02:35:09 PM » |
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Okay. Behind the neck is a NONO from the owner of the gym. With just the bar I can do them, but it doesn't feel good.
Skipping those.
And the next problem. Tennis elbow. I'm quitting upright rows all together. I can bare the pain, usually don't feel anything during a workout, but I do feel more gradually.
So what's left?
Just the overhead presses. LOL.
I do however love the pump and will substitute something in order to keep the pace going doing 10 reps, 3 sets without break. I still think this is a great way to get them delts. But pump and lactic acid are of course not indicators for mass building. ;-)
Might need to replace the bar with dumbells. That would hold me back though, as my left shoulder is improving, but still lacking control. Using a bar kinda evens things out and makes me push the left one more.
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2012, 04:40:53 AM » |
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Changed the upright rows to dumbell ones, elbow feels a lot better!
Feeling way more control already doing the presses. Gonna up the weight next time.
As a 3rd exercise I do bend over rows with elbows flared out, to target the rear delts. Feeling this more in my arms then delts though. It maybe be too low in weight.
As a finisher I do some heavy side raises on the machine. If they don't work, I go lower and do more reps untill failure.
I read an article saying the delts are much like calves, used to a lot and stubborn to grow. So far, this high rep low rest approach gives me a great feeling. And the pump gets addictive.
Call me an idiot, but I just have to check them in the bathroom mirror afterwards. LOLZ.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2012, 07:07:36 AM » |
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Almost a month now, and I hit some over doing it. I liked to feel those delts so I finished off with some side raise machine to failure. That + doing this routine 2x a week and added bench press and dips is too much for me to recover in the long run.
I'm shifting around some and not doing those sets to failure anymore. TOO GREEDY, yet again.
Hit kind of the same thing doing leg press and leg extensions (heavy) 2 x a week. Legs felt strong before, but no feel fatigued. Ah well. Slow down SiR.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2012, 07:09:50 AM » |
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Almost a month now, and I hit some over doing it. I liked to feel those delts so I finished off with some side raise machine to failure. That + doing this routine 2x a week and added bench press and dips is too much for me to recover in the long run.
I'm shifting around some and not doing those sets to failure anymore. TOO GREEDY, yet again.
Hit kind of the same thing doing leg press and leg extensions (heavy) 2 x a week. Legs felt strong before, but no feel fatigued. Ah well. Slow down SiR.
The turtoise defeated the hare. So be like a tortoise, and beat the f... Of this idea they call working to oblivion. :3 Good luck man. You can do it if you train properly. |
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2012, 07:17:43 AM » |
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I need to face the fact I don't heal/recover as fast as I want.
Cheers Merc.
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2012, 07:20:15 AM » |
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And the next problem. Tennis elbow. I'm quitting upright rows all together. I can bare the pain, usually don't feel anything during a workout, but I do feel more gradually.
Thanks a lot, this explains my little pain on the outside of the elbow, for the last week. I didn't know about that. I will exclude upright row for a while to see if really that's the problem. |
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