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« on: February 01, 2012, 12:38:16 PM »

I just started a routine that has me performing every set to failure. Every exercise is 3-4 sets and 15 reps. It says "if you find yourself reaching failure at three or more reps higher than the required amount, increase the weight; if you find that you stop three or more reps short of the required number, lighten the load a little.

Since I'm doing 3-4 sets should I lower the weight after the first set or two so I can meet the required minimum (12 reps)? After hitting only 12-13 reps on my first set I can usually only do 7-8 on my 3rd and 4th.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 12:41:15 PM »

    You only need to go to failure once.  Any more than that will not really give you much of a gain.  And it will take more time to recover.  You'll be like a zombie.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »

    I go to faliure in every lift and works for me.. IMO you should go to faliure to make your muscle come back stronger next workout, and your DOMS will decrease a lot after some time..
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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 02:08:26 PM »

    I go to faliure in every lift and works for me.. IMO you should go to faliure to make your muscle come back stronger next workout, and your DOMS will decrease a lot after some time..

    Have you been training well under a year by any chance?
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    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 02:16:17 PM »

    I love working to failure.  It's a new concept that I've incorporated into my lifting.  I used to just train for power, but now I want hypertrophy.  I don't do 20-25 sets of failure.  I only do about 7-9 working sets on big muscle groups and 4-5 working sets on smaller muscle groups.  I feel GREAT about it!  No more "stalling in the gym" for 2 hours.  I work out for 30-45 minutes and i'm done :3!  Dorian Yates was BIG on training to failure and HIT stuff and he was 6x Mr. Olympia.  Even Arnold Schwarzenegger said "never put the weight down just because you hit a number".  Just my opinion!  Completely up to you (but I'm a big fan of it).  Stay safe!
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    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 05:19:04 PM »

    Is up to you but in my opinion you should go to faliure Grin

    I go to faliure in every lift and works for me.. IMO you should go to faliure to make your muscle come back stronger next workout, and your DOMS will decrease a lot after some time..

    Have you been training well under a year by any chance?

    Yes i've been lifting for six months

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    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2012, 05:28:48 PM »

    i train to failure on every set. remember reading or watching a video body builder had a phd super smart guy said treat every set like it was your last forget about numbers.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 06:46:25 PM »

    I've always trained for a combination of strength and size(both of which i feel i've achieved), and i've never really trained to failure. If anything only do it on your last set of a lift.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 09:00:06 PM »

    Training is about progress, success and stimulation not failure and annihilation. As long as you perform to the best of your ability and progress within a given interval you'll gain.
    If failure means technical failure, okay, always go to failure. You lift until you can't complete another rep with good form. Never count a rep with bad form and you'll be MUCH less likely to get injured and much more likely to succeed over time.
    If failure means total muscular failure then this is likely only absolutely necessary if you're advanced (and you wouldn't be asking if you'd been lifting for 3-4 years) and this is a very fatiguing thing to incorporate. Like Merc said it's likely only necessary to do on 1 set, otherwise you're just beating yourself up.

    Also if a routine has a rep range 12-15 for example ALL of your sets should fall in that range, otherwise you need to lessen or up the load. You should be adding reps or weight every week.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 11:35:01 PM »

    Go till failure each and every set except the first set of the day. I use it as my warm up set.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 11:44:07 PM »

    Oh no no no.  I didnt mean to failure on EVERY set.  For each of my exercises i have 1-2 warm up sets and then on the last set ill go to failure.  Ill do 3 sets of bench 2 warm up and then 2 sets of incline db press 1 warm up set etc etc.  By the end of the work out itll feel like my muscles got trampled.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 12:58:00 AM »

    I usually start out doing 12-15 reps on first set, and then two sets of 10 and then two sets of 8.

    My first sets are with my previous weight, the sets of 8 are with my new weight (i add 5 kg). I up this on a weekly basis.

    Is this a good way to go?  Cool
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    « Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 02:35:44 AM »

    If you don't lift to failure, you fail at lifting











    catchy?!
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    « Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 02:50:16 AM »

    If you don't lift to failure, you fail at lifting

    catchy?!

    If you lift to fail, you fail to lift. :3

    If you lift to win, you win to lift. :3
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    « Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 02:52:16 AM »

    If you don't lift to failure, you fail at lifting

    catchy?!

    If you lift to fail, you fail to lift. :3

    If you lift to win, you win to lift. :3

    haha my arch-nemesis: anti-fail rhyme man and his cursed rhymes!

    failure to fail, is failure to lift
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