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« on: February 06, 2012, 06:51:08 PM »

Shrugs are too intense now and give me headaches. Any alternative?
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    « Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 08:39:32 PM »

     Huh?

    Well all the rows work trapezius as they work your upper back. But that shrugging movement would be optimal for how especially the upper fibers work.

    Indeed I know the headache but to me trap soreness/or they're jammed some times gives headache.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 11:30:58 PM »

    upright rows are excellent, and lots of olympic lifts heavlilly use traps
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    « Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 11:58:35 PM »

    When I do shrugs I really go heavy and I often see the tweety birds after lol.  It's really hard to work the traps directly with out some forms of shrugs.  If you do seated cable rows and pull the bar to your upper pecs it will really work out the back of your traps (rhomboids).  Another thing you can do (which is kind of dangerous but its up to you) is do a over-head trap shrug.  They're kind of like the like 5% of the military press where your bring your shoulders up to your ears.  I have never done these alone or with heavy weights.  If I ever do go heavy though I am in a squat cage with the safety catch bars (Seated of course).  Stay safe!
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    « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 05:31:49 AM »

    Bent over rows are great for traps, I always have great soreness after them.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 10:56:22 AM »

    Front Squat shrugs or overhead press shrugs are the only lifts akin to what you actually would want to work in a traditional shrug. In fact they're superior for most every purpose. In any case they're detailed in these articles (I love front squat shrugs personally)

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/one_shrug_to_rule_them_all

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/pushups_face_pulls_and_shrugs
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    « Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 12:01:04 PM »

    The traps connect into the neck ofc, When I train my neck with a neck harness I sometimes feel trap soreness the next day from doing the extension movement.
    When you shrug, do you only move your shoulders, or do you have a tendancy to move your neck downwards aswell?
    I see many people (including myself) do this as it makes them think theres more ROM, which ofc in a shrug, theres hardly any, this is also why you see people bending their elbows and curling the weight slightly.

    Becuase the rom isn't as much, people are trying to mentally and pointlessly compensate.  Cheesy

    So if your bringing your neck down abit to meet the traps, don't. That COULD be the reason you get headaches from shrugging.
    It could also be weak neck muscles, I'd recommend looking into the subject a little more.

    There are countless studies of women who have chronic neck pain and headaches, all of which took part in resistance training studies (where they trained traps, delts and neck, I think mostly with rows, upright and machines etcetc, with some direct neck work) and most if not all saw improvements in a matter of weeks. I did some research on this topic a while back, and there are many studies to support this, however all involved women, dunno if I found a single study involving men and neck pain.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »

    I tend to extend my neck if anything.

    I also drop my shoulders as low as possible at the end of the rep. That seems to create a good ROM.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 02:39:28 PM »

    The traps connect into the neck ofc, When I train my neck with a neck harness I sometimes feel trap soreness the next day from doing the extension movement.
    When you shrug, do you only move your shoulders, or do you have a tendancy to move your neck downwards aswell?
    I see many people (including myself) do this as it makes them think theres more ROM, which ofc in a shrug, theres hardly any, this is also why you see people bending their elbows and curling the weight slightly.

    Becuase the rom isn't as much, people are trying to mentally and pointlessly compensate.  Cheesy

    So if your bringing your neck down abit to meet the traps, don't. That COULD be the reason you get headaches from shrugging.
    It could also be weak neck muscles, I'd recommend looking into the subject a little more.

    There are countless studies of women who have chronic neck pain and headaches, all of which took part in resistance training studies (where they trained traps, delts and neck, I think mostly with rows, upright and machines etcetc, with some direct neck work) and most if not all saw improvements in a matter of weeks. I did some research on this topic a while back, and there are many studies to support this, however all involved women, dunno if I found a single study involving men and neck pain.

    The soreness you feel in your neck is much more likely to be soreness in your levator scapulae than really your upper traps. In the extension work you do with your neck I would be willing to bet this is the case again. Neck pain in the studies you're talking about I would be willing to bet is due at least in part or with a large majority to weakness in the deep cervical neck flexors. The forward head posture so common these days is likely to cause both neck pain and perhaps headaches.

    Think of this, your head weighs 8-12 pounds. When you put your head forward you're creating a longer and longer lever arm for your muscles to support 8-12 pounds. Which isn't all that light. Further you're making the path for air into your body more difficult to traverse, etc.

    Then consider that when you do a normal shrug you're engaging a host of muscles that are downward rotators of your scapula and not necessarily maximally engaging your upper traps. For shoulder health and function, probably hardly ideal. For upper trap training, probably hardly ideal. For mass? Great.

    Also everyone is talking about traps so generally. There's three sections, upper, middle, lower, endless functions and each has unique qualities and insertions, lines of pull, etc. Pretty sure the OP was only referring to the upper section and a replacement for the exercise of shrugs.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 11:14:21 PM »

    Interesting, sadly the doms were yesterday and are gone now so I can't really isolate where the soreness was, I think it was more "upper" than lower so what you say is probably true!
    Yeah when doing some basic research I found the head weighed quite a suprising amount. I was going to use this in a neck training article I was working on a while back.
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