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« on: September 07, 2010, 12:36:35 PM »

1)A few weeks ago I made a post here, asking for advice about my workout routine. I wanted to reduce it in time. You can see that post here.

http://www.askscooby.com/bulking-up-and-gaining-muscle/change-in-routine/msg222170/#msg222170

I didn’t get much answers so I changed it myself. Can someone give me advice about my new routine?
2)I also have some problems with some exercises:
-Lunges do not work, I can’t feel them at all.
-Seated Calf Raises do not work. My legs tremble every time they go down, but I can’t feel anything. It feels like I can do the exercise forever.
-Dumbbell rows: hurts my arms, but not my lats. In a couple of weeks I will be able to do pull ups to replace this though.

A bit about me and my goals: I’m 181 cm, 70 kg. I want to have a small fat percentage and a strong, muscular body. However, having a big bodybuilder body is not my goal.

My routine:

Monday:

Abs

Chrunches   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps   
Crunches but with legs stretched a foot above the ground   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
Leg raises   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
Floor side Crunch   -3 sets   -30/50 reps

Shoulders

Alternating Shoulder Press
   -5 sets   -10 reps   -7,5/8,5 kg
Lateral Raise   -4 sets   -10 reps   3,5/4,5 kg
Reverse flys   -5 sets   -10 reps   -3,5 kg   
Innies en Outies   -2 sets
Dumbbell Shrugs   -4 sets   -25 reps   5,5 kg

Tuesday

Legs

Squats      -5 sets   -10 reps   -18,5 kg
The Wall   -5 minutes (= back to a wall, body in the downposition of a squad and holding that for 5 minutes)
Lunges      -3 sets   -10 reps   -12,5 kg
Standing Calf Raises (kuit)   -3 sets   -15/20 reps   -12,5 kg
Seated calf raises   -3 sets   -25 reps   -20 kg

Back

Dumbbell Rows   -5 sets   -10 reps   -11,5 kg
Pullovers   -5 sets   -10 reps   5/6 kg
Bodyweight reverse hyperextension   -4 sets   -15 reps

Wednesday

Cycling: 70 km

Thursday

Abs

Chrunches   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps   
Crunches but with legs stretched a foot above the ground   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
Leg raises   -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
Floor side Crunch   -3 sets   -30/50 reps

Triceps

French Press   -5 sets   -10 reps   -8,5/10,5 kg
Overhead triceps dumbbell press   -5 sets   -10 reps   -18,5 kg
Dips   -5 sets   -15 reps

Friday


Cycling: 50 km

Saturday

Chest

Fly   -5 sets   -10 reps   -12,5 kg
Dumbbell press   -5 sets   -10 reps   -14,5 kg
Incline Dumbbell Press   -5 sets   -10 reps   -14,5 kg
PushUps   -3 sets   -20 reps

Biceps

Biceps Curl   -5 sets   -10 reps   -7,5/9,5  kg
Dumbbell Curls   -5 sets   -10 reps   -6,5/7,5 kg
Concentration Curls   -3 sets   -10 reps   -7,5 kg


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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 12:52:56 PM »

This is too much.

Why 3 exercises for biceps?  Why so many exercises for abs?

I'm guessing you're a beginner: you must be, as the weights you use seem very light.  In this case, please don't start constructing your own workout routine if you don't know what you're doing: it will always have unnecessary exercises, it will always involve overtraining of the arms.

Follow a suitable beginner routine.  Starting Strength, Stronglifts, Scooby's beginner routine.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 02:23:59 PM »

Depends on what you mean with 'beginner'. I've been lifting weights for 3-4 years now. Most of the time in a gym. The last half year at home. In that sense I'm not really a beginner.

My routine is compiled of exercises I got from coaches at the gym and exercises from scooby. The 3 exercises for biceps for instance are from the gym.

If you think my weights are too low, clearly I've been doing something wrong.
My biceps have always been my weakest muscles so I think I need 3 exercises. My abs and quadriceps are my strongest muscles and I need a couple exercise for them. If I'm looking at this the wrong way, pls do tell me.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 02:30:59 PM »

    Doing one biceps exercise with full intensity is worth more than three done lackluster. And also remember that the biceps doesn't only work when doing biceps isolations, but also along in other exercises.

    On a first glance what I'm also missing from your workout is pull-ups and that you put chest and biceps together instead of chest and triceps (see above).
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    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 03:03:45 PM »

    Basically your routine is all over the place. Your are overtraining in a lot of areas (is 5 sets of an exercise really necessary?) and focusing on certain muscle groups too much. I recommend you start from the beginning and read the wolfs guide in the advanced forum or scooby's suggested routines for an idea of how many sets you should be doing per muscle group.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 12:43:12 PM »

    @ Evilcyber: As I said it my first post. I can't add pull ups yet because there is no place in my home to do those, without tearing down support beams. I will order this: (http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Total-Upper-Body-Workout/dp/B001ND04U4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=exercise-and-fitness&qid=1277988904&sr=1-1) from Amazon but I'm waiting untill I have more stuff to order so I can let it ship all at once. Once I have it, I'll replace the rows with the pull ups.

    @ Joe101: I had read Wolf's guide and I implimented a few of his tips. I added 'Seated calf raises' at his advice. I used 3 exercises per musclegroup as he also does...

    I changed the routine. As you all said it was too much, I reduced the amount of sets and added reps or weight. While some now have the advised amount of sets (according to Wolfs guide), others, like back, thighs or calves now have less sets then Wolf advises. So I'm kinda confused now...

    Monday:

    Abs - 3 exercises + 1 for the side obliques

    -Chrunches               -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps   
    -Crunches but with legs stretched
    a foot above the ground         -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
    -Leg raises               -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
    -Floor side Crunch            -3 sets   -30/50 reps

    Shoulders - 3 exercises + 1 against injuries + 1 for traps

    -Alternating Shoulder Press        -3 sets   -10 reps   -9,5 kg
    -Lateral Raise            -3 sets   -10 reps   -5,5 kg
    -Reverse flys            -3 sets   -10 reps   -4,5 kg   
    -Innies en Outies            -2 sets
    -Dumbbell Shrugs            -4 sets   -25 reps   -5,5 kg

    Tuesday

    Legs - 3 exercises + 1 for calfs

    -Squats                  -5 sets   -10 reps   -18,5 kg
    -The Wall               -5 minutes (= back to a wall, body in the downposition of a squad and holding that for 5 minutes)
    -Lunges                  -3 sets   -10 reps   -12,5 kg
    -Standing Calf Raises (kuit)         -3 sets   -15/20 reps-12,5 kg


    Back - 3 exercises

    -Dumbbell Rows            -3 sets   -10 reps   -13,5 kg
    -Pullovers               -3 sets   -10 reps   -14,5/16,5 kg
    -Bodyweight reverse hyperextension      -4 sets   -15 reps

    Wednesday

    -Cycling: 70 km

    Thursday

    Abs - 3 exercises + 1 for the side obliques

    -Chrunches               -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps   
    -Crunches but with legs stretched
    a foot above the ground         -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
    -Leg raises               -3 sets   -15/20/25 reps
    -Floor side Crunch            -3 sets   -30/50 reps

    Biceps 2 exercises

    -Dumbbell Curls            -5 sets   -10 reps   -7,5/8,5 kg
    -Concentration Curls            -3 sets   -10 reps   -8,5 kg

    Friday

    Cycling: 50 km

    Saturday

    Chest 3 exercises (I'm keeping 5 reps here because I can't add more weight, my arms can't hold it but my chest is stronger)

    -Fly                  -5 sets   -10 reps   -12,5 kg
    -Dumbbell press            -5 sets   -10 reps   -14,5 kg
    -Incline Dumbbell Press         -5 sets   -10 reps   -14,5 kg

    Triceps - 3 exercises

    -French Press            -3 sets   -10 reps   -10,5/12,5 kg
    -Overhead triceps dumbbell press      -3 sets   -10 reps   -20,5 kg
    -Dips               -3 sets   -25 reps

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    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 04:26:59 AM »

    The wolf doesn't recommend 3 exercises per muscle group. He recommends different amounts of sets depending on the size of the muscle group. For example, biceps and triceps you should do a MAX of 8 sets, whereas chest is a max of 12. Thighs (thats quads and hams) should have a max of 15.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 05:33:26 AM »

    Way too muchooooo Sad your doing 13 sets for biceps, 14 for back. Go look in the mirror and compare the size of these muscles and tell me why you'd do this  Grin. Your biceps need 3-6 sets per week, that's it. They won't grow bigger for each extra set you decide to add...

    Read the wolfs guide again Smiley
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    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 06:34:21 AM »

    I still don't understand why the weight you use is so light.  Am I misunderstanding, or do you really squat 18.5kg?  If that's what your current strength level, a split routine like this one is a waste of time and arms isolations like all those curls you are doing are completely pointless.

    Follow a full-body routine designed for beginners.  Stronglifts 5x5, Starting Strength and Scooby's beginner routine are all good.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 12:05:20 PM »

    The last posts still apply to my first post but I changed the routine in my last one. It has less sets and more weights. Is this one better? I started Saturday on that routine and biceps were sore the next day, which it hadn't been for a few months. I have not felt other muscles though and I did chest, back, legs, abs and shoulders (3 days).
    The weights on the new routine will go up though. Now I've done a few exercises I realise I can use a lot more weight if I only do 3 instead of 5 sets.

    Abs: 12 sets
    Shoulders: 9 sets (+ 2 innies and outies)
    Traps: 4 sets
    Legs: 12 sets
    Calfs: 3 sets
    Back: 10 sets
    Biceps: 8 sets
    Chest: 15 sets (arms can't hold more weight so can't reduce the number of sets here)
    Triceps: 9 sets

    You can see the routine in my previous post. Is this better?

    @ Hollis: I made a mistake there. I only have dumbells so that's 18,5 kg in each hand. Together that's 37 kg. My legs can most definitely take more but my hands can't hold more weight.
    The same counts for all exercises where you use 2 hands, it's x2 for 2 dumbells.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 12:35:59 PM »

    I've been doing 3 exercises (3 sets each) for biceps for a long time and my biceps just grow and grow.. i think it's perfect
    but 5 sets seems too much for any exercise unless it's for strenght but even then I prefer 3 sets.
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