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« on: February 04, 2012, 02:06:21 AM » |
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Hi there.It's been a while.Is it possible to get stronger by lifting weights (heavy-low reps) while cutting calories?Stronger not bigger.Of course i'll aim for fat loss,but let's be honest,even losing 1/2 kg per week you are still going to lose muscle.I did it before and i lost both.Although now i'm interested in strength gains.I lift weights 3 times a week.A) squat (almost atg),mil.press (standing),pullups,B)squat,bench,barbell row (from floor).I go A-->B-->A-->B....Three sets,five reps every exercise.
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Pullupsftw
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 02:07:16 AM » |
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homer23
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 02:08:56 AM » |
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Have you tried it?
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 02:28:37 AM » |
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Do you intend on cutting calories enough that it will cause a decline in muscle mass?
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MercNil
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 02:29:25 AM » |
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He asked if you've tried it.  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 03:35:41 AM » |
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The simple answer is no. You may get away with it whilst you are only lifting relatively light weights, but once you progress you'll find you need to eat well over your TDEE to make any decent strength progress. Strength based routines tend to assume that you're eating 4000+ calories a day or they won't work for long. If you're not willing to eat a lot, then don't go on a strength based routine - it'll destroy you.
This is not to say you won't make strength gains on a bodybuilding routine eating at your TDEE. But obviously progress will be slower.
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Age: 25
Height: 6 foot (183cm)
Weight: 80kg (176lbs)
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 03:37:25 AM » |
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I lost 2kg over 2 weeks and a total of 5kg in a month because I completely lost track of my diet and missed a couple of training sessions. I honestly did not lose any strength but I did not make any gains either.
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homer23
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 05:15:41 AM » |
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So,heavy training and cutting isn't a good idea.Can i do the same routine and drop 20-25% of weight or should i change routine?I'm aiming for 10 kg loss so i'll be eating under TDEE for almost the next three months.I'm 104 with 24% fat (approximately)
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 05:27:06 AM » |
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I have tried it and lost both fat and muscle. I also know others that have tried and lost both, I don't know anyone that has lost sufficient weight/ fat and still maintained full muscle size. I face the same as you now. want to lose fat but maintain muscle so when you work out how to do it i'd be interested.  |
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 10:41:29 AM » |
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Ahh thankyou mercinil it seems I missed that  No I havent. However, according to scooby you can gain mass while losing weight so why would one not be able to gain strength? Whats your current body fat%? |
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MercNil
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 10:51:44 AM » |
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Ahh thankyou mercinil it seems I missed that No I havent. However, according to scooby you can gain mass while losing weight so why would one not be able to gain strength? Whats your current body fat%? I'm 15 percent bodyfat. :p just normal. Got a two pack. Hahaha. You can gain mass, but it does not mean you can gain strength. Two different animals. Though when you lift heavy and you reach the point where your form deteriorates, you can gain mass and strength at the same time. |
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homer23
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2012, 01:40:21 PM » |
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MercNil
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 01:45:27 PM » |
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http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/76503_700b.jpgJust wanted to post that picture, so you can laugh. The simple answer is no. You may get away with it whilst you are only lifting relatively light weights, but once you progress you'll find you need to eat well over your TDEE to make any decent strength progress. Strength based routines tend to assume that you're eating 4000+ calories a day or they won't work for long. If you're not willing to eat a lot, then don't go on a strength based routine - it'll destroy you.
This is not to say you won't make strength gains on a bodybuilding routine eating at your TDEE. But obviously progress will be slower.
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homer23
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2012, 01:48:49 PM » |
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I understood that.But i made another question about what routine i should follow.
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MercNil
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 02:03:41 PM » |
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I understood that.But i made another question about what routine i should follow.
i. starting strength; ii. FULL BODY STRENGTH-SPECIFIC NOVICE ROUTINE -Done 3DAW in AXBXAXX fashion. -Load should be just heavy enough to keep good form. -Avoid failure -Increase the weight weekly. -Take 2 mins of rest between sets. Day 1 A) Squat 3x5 B) Bench press 3x5 C) Chinup 3x5 Day 2 A) Deadlift 3x5 B) Military press 3x5 C) Barbell row 3x5 iii. http://www.cbass.com/KevinDye.htm |
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