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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2012, 02:33:36 PM »

But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.
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    « Reply #16 on: February 04, 2012, 02:42:31 PM »

    But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.

    It means you shouldn't cut. Smiley
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    « Reply #17 on: February 04, 2012, 02:50:53 PM »

    But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.

    It means you shouldn't cut. Smiley
    Have you read the first posts?I'm saying that i have to cut in order to lose 10 kg in next 3 months.I posted this thread in order to find out if i should keep lifting heavy while cutting.You wrote no.So i asked what routine i should follow in that case.I even made an example.
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    « Reply #18 on: February 05, 2012, 07:55:08 AM »

    But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.

    It means you shouldn't cut. Smiley
    Have you read the first posts?I'm saying that i have to cut in order to lose 10 kg in next 3 months.I posted this thread in order to find out if i should keep lifting heavy while cutting.You wrote no.So i asked what routine i should follow in that case.I even made an example.

    I didn't understand the question as you have put it now. I understood it as can you cut lift heavy, and still gain strength.

    so can you lift heavy while cutting. yes keep lifting heavy. drop isolations in favour of compounds.
    eat 10x body weight in calories 12x if your doing cardio. protein =1.5lbs to lean body mass. hope that helps. Wink
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    « Reply #19 on: February 05, 2012, 07:59:01 AM »

    But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.

    It means you shouldn't cut. Smiley
    Have you read the first posts?I'm saying that i have to cut in order to lose 10 kg in next 3 months.I posted this thread in order to find out if i should keep lifting heavy while cutting.You wrote no.So i asked what routine i should follow in that case.I even made an example.

    i.  You'll need to eat less than you normally do by taking your tdee and eating at a deficit for losing weight.
    ii. You will lose strength in this period because you will lose muscle mass and have less energy.
    iii. You should lessen the weights of your lift by 10-15 percent because you don't want to burn out too fast.
    iv. When you're done cutting, it's time to increase the weights you're lifting and eat more.

    As much as it's tempting to serve two masters, it's just not easy to do, and will require prior experience in doing the same.  So take the easy road, and the faster one which is to lose weight first while lifting the same weight rather than increasing it or decrease the weight for awhile until you've finished cutting, and from there, to try and bring your lifts back up again.

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    When I cut, I eat less, I maintain the amount of weight I lift as to the weight, but I lessen the volume by 60 percent.  When I'm done cutting, I try to increase the volume back up again, and when I'm stalling, I eat more; so I can move on lifting heavy.  This way, I maintain my weight, lose some strength, but easily get it back.  It's not easy.  You'll have headaches.  Your mind has to be strong because you'll feel depresed and fatigue comes easily.

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    On the issue if you can lose weight and gain strength at the same time.  Dream on.  It will not happen unless you're under some NATURAL substance.
    As for gaining mass and losing weight at the same time, that is another animal.  Mass does not equal strength.  
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    « Reply #20 on: February 05, 2012, 10:50:37 AM »

    But i thought we agreed that strenght training+cutting=bad.I'm confused.

    It means you shouldn't cut. Smiley
    Have you read the first posts?I'm saying that i have to cut in order to lose 10 kg in next 3 months.I posted this thread in order to find out if i should keep lifting heavy while cutting.You wrote no.So i asked what routine i should follow in that case.I even made an example.

    If you're trying to drop weight that quickly then forget strength gains. Are you trying to reduce BF% or are you literally just reducing your weight (for a sport etc)? Because if you are just trying to reduce BF% for appearances sake, then I would recommend dropping the calories (eat just below your TDEE) do lots and lots of cardio and follow a MASS based routine as you can still gain muscle whilst cutting.

    If you are more interested in reducing weight and staying strong, then you could follow a strength routine but just cut the weight down and don't progressively overload. I reckon this would be best for preserving your strength whilst you are cutting. That's just speculation though, I hope someone can give a more concrete answer for this case.
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    « Reply #21 on: February 06, 2012, 02:54:20 AM »

    So between a routine which includes the basic compounds (Starting strength) with lower weights and a mass gaining routine,which one would be best for following while trying to reduce my BF%?I will be cutting for the next 3 months in order to reduce my weight by 10 kg.I hope from those 10 that the 7-8 would be pure fat.I'm not dreaming about increasing mass or strength while cutting.Just trying not to fall very low in strength because for the past 6 months i made very good progress.
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    « Reply #22 on: February 06, 2012, 04:52:13 AM »

    So between a routine which includes the basic compounds (Starting strength) with lower weights and a mass gaining routine,which one would be best for following while trying to reduce my BF%?I will be cutting for the next 3 months in order to reduce my weight by 10 kg.I hope from those 10 that the 7-8 would be pure fat.I'm not dreaming about increasing mass or strength while cutting.Just trying not to fall very low in strength because for the past 6 months i made very good progress.

    I would be guessing cos I have never dropped 10kg, I would have thought if body fat was a issue to you it would make more sense to watch the fat and try to keep around 10% yr round. ok you won't gain so quickly but there is no point gaining quickly just to drop fast at the end and loose all those hard earned gains.

    I would still stay with the compounds and low reps(5's). if you start to struggle drop back to 10 reps. have you tried PM'ing dodo. he might have better advice.
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    « Reply #23 on: February 06, 2012, 06:29:00 AM »

    I never do high rep compounds.I always worked out in 3x5.I'm thinking of keeping the weights (or drop 10% max) and take more rest between sets.(3min+).That would lower intensity but still keep me from dropping down in strength.As for the other thing you mentioned,i wasn't bulking up.I had really poor nutrition the last 8-9 months.
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