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« on: March 16, 2011, 01:15:30 PM »

I'm thinking about doing my split routines a bit differently.  Lets say monday is chest biceps.  I could do db bench, bb incline bench, db flyes, db incline curls, preacher curls, and bb curls.

The next monday i could do completley different exercises, such as decline db bench, bb bench, etc.

The rep range i would use is 8-12 (im in a huge hurry to pack on size)

Would this work?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 02:25:38 PM »

I'm thinking about doing my split routines a bit differently.  Lets say monday is chest biceps.  I could do db bench, bb incline bench, db flyes, db incline curls, preacher curls, and bb curls.

The next monday i could do completley different exercises, such as decline db bench, bb bench, etc.

The rep range i would use is 8-12 (im in a huge hurry to pack on size)

Would this work?

Why not! You mix it up and as long as the exercises are relatively equivalent (as you posted) its fine I think. The problem is, do you know that many exercises, they will repeat sooner or later.

Nevertheless, I think you should know the motoric basics of these exercises and you should know your weights you can use so that they are real workouts and no experimental workouts.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2011, 10:10:49 PM »

Doing completely different exercises for the same body parts isn't necessarily bad, HOWEVER, it'll make it difficult to measure strength gains from week.

One recommendation, do Chest/Triceps on the same day, not Chest/Biceps.

Chest and Triceps = pushing motions, whilst Biceps are used for pulling. Doing this will help avoid overtraining.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 08:26:46 AM »

Doing completely different exercises for the same body parts isn't necessarily bad, HOWEVER, it'll make it difficult to measure strength gains from week.

One recommendation, do Chest/Triceps on the same day, not Chest/Biceps.

Chest and Triceps = pushing motions, whilst Biceps are used for pulling. Doing this will help avoid overtraining.

I don't do push/pull on the same day because your muscles are already fatigued during that workout.

EG. if you do chest exercises first, ur triceps will be weaker when u do isolation exercises for them.
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    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 08:32:11 AM »

    Doing completely different exercises for the same body parts isn't necessarily bad, HOWEVER, it'll make it difficult to measure strength gains from week.

    One recommendation, do Chest/Triceps on the same day, not Chest/Biceps.

    Chest and Triceps = pushing motions, whilst Biceps are used for pulling. Doing this will help avoid overtraining.

    I don't do push/pull on the same day because your muscles are already fatigued during that workout.

    EG. if you do chest exercises first, ur triceps will be weaker when u do isolation exercises for them.

    Simple solution is to not to isolations. For back day pullups, chinups, bb rows and/or DB rows with curls is more than enough for the bicep. Whereas if you do chest with bicep all you are doing for your bicep is isolations (assuming you dont do chinups or something because that would surely interfere with your back day).
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    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2011, 08:34:48 AM »

    Doing completely different exercises for the same body parts isn't necessarily bad, HOWEVER, it'll make it difficult to measure strength gains from week.

    One recommendation, do Chest/Triceps on the same day, not Chest/Biceps.

    Chest and Triceps = pushing motions, whilst Biceps are used for pulling. Doing this will help avoid overtraining.

    I don't do push/pull on the same day because your muscles are already fatigued during that workout.

    EG. if you do chest exercises first, ur triceps will be weaker when u do isolation exercises for them.

    Simple solution is to not to isolations. For back day pullups, chinups, bb rows and/or DB rows with curls is more than enough for the bicep. Whereas if you do chest with bicep all you are doing for your bicep is isolations (assuming you dont do chinups or something because that would surely interfere with your back day).

    This is true.  I'm currently developing a size-gaining routine that will help me put on more mass as quick as possible.  Are supersets or dropsets good for that?
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    « Reply #6 on: March 17, 2011, 09:57:33 AM »

    Drop sets and Supersets are a good idea once you are struggling to make strength gains, so I would put them aside and keep them as back up for the moment. There's no reason why a well planned routine won't keep you making consistent gains.

    With regards to what you said about Biceps/Triceps being tired, you have to remember that these muscles are much smaller than Back/Chest. Normally if you're doing no more than 4 exercises for Chest/Back (as I do) you should still have enough energy to do these two body parts.

    On my Chest/Triceps day I do:

    DB Chest Press (Works chest, barely triceps)
    DB Fly (Works chest, barely triceps)
    Isometric Incline Press (Works chest, a little bit more triceps)

    Weighted dips (Hit triceps HARD)
    Rope cable push-downs: (Hit's triceps HARD)


    You really don't need to do a whole bunch of crazy isolations for your arms, besides, doing fewer exercises makes it easier to track your progress and really push yourself in them. If you know you still have 15 sets of 3 different exercises waiting for you, are you really gonna go 110% on every set before that?
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    « Reply #7 on: March 17, 2011, 02:05:21 PM »

    Doing completely different exercises for the same body parts isn't necessarily bad, HOWEVER, it'll make it difficult to measure strength gains from week.

    One recommendation, do Chest/Triceps on the same day, not Chest/Biceps.

    Chest and Triceps = pushing motions, whilst Biceps are used for pulling. Doing this will help avoid overtraining.

    I don't do push/pull on the same day because your muscles are already fatigued during that workout.

    EG. if you do chest exercises first, ur triceps will be weaker when u do isolation exercises for them.

    Simple solution is to not to isolations. For back day pullups, chinups, bb rows and/or DB rows with curls is more than enough for the bicep. Whereas if you do chest with bicep all you are doing for your bicep is isolations (assuming you dont do chinups or something because that would surely interfere with your back day).

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    « Reply #8 on: March 17, 2011, 03:41:12 PM »

    I see this type of training only as maintainance and not a muscle builder, the name is unfamiliar, where did that come from ??
    When you hit a muscle with a load its not used to your brain only reacts as if it is a one off, in other words it says get stuffed and gibes little indicaters such as DOMS or stress pain, thats its way of saying  don`t do it again, its only when you keep repeating the process that the brain says whoa this area needs more fuel to make the job easier. If you don`t constantly work the muscle with progressive overload then the muscle mass is not needed, that to me means hitting it the same way in the same position for a period of time dependant on each persons adaptation rate and making sure the muscles are worked harder than they ever do normally.
    Changing the exercise weekly gives the body heaps of time to repair the muscles but no indication that the muscle needs to be stronger or bigger...
    Still its your choice and if nothing happens in six weeks you can go back to the drawing board...cheers
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    « Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 11:08:46 PM »

    Changing the exercise weekly gives the body heaps of time to repair the muscles but no indication that the muscle needs to be stronger or bigger...
    Still its your choice and if nothing happens in six weeks you can go back to the drawing board...cheers

    taking one example from the OP: doing one week DB bench and the other BB bench gives the muscle no indication it needs to be stronger and bigger? They target the same (main) muscle. I'm confused  Huh?
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    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 02:54:24 AM »

    One of the problems of constant changing is you don't master the big compounds. and to increase the weight on these lifts you need to do them regular. you also improve on a lift through becoming familiar with it, the more you do it the better you get at it. I would change an isolation rather than change the big compounds. as for packing on as much as quick as possible, isn't that what we are all trying to do. Grin
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