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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 05:22:42 AM » |
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For those of you younger than 17, not fulfilling those two requirements and wanting to work out at home, I also now designed a teen beginner's plan, which you can find here. After about half a year with that plan you should be ready to move on to the regular teen workout. I liked your overtraining vid, it was very helpful  Just out of curiosity, why this and not Scooby's? I mean, I'm pretty much new to weightlifting, and can't do 7 pullups, and probably 20 pushups... Yet Scooby's teen workout is really good  Should I switch to yours or is your beginner teen workout only for teens who can't do Scooby's teen workout? Well, Scooby's teen workout is more on the level of the intermediate workout, while the regular beginner's workout is only compound exercises, as it should be. It was clear something was amiss and we needed a plan that picks teens as well up from practically zero, gives them the basic strength if they need it and allows them to move on once it is pretty sure that they fulfill the basic requirements. That's also why we thought long and hard about how we can replace "you are a beginner if you trained for less than six months" with something that can give you a better idea about where you stand. It was unfair to those that got fit faster, but also not ideal for those that needed longer. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 05:25:44 AM » |
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 07:50:59 PM » |
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im 14 years old, and im going to sign up at a gym soon. im stronger than most people my age and can 37 push ups an 14 pull ups. what do you recommend for me to start on?
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 08:14:50 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2010, 04:27:22 AM » |
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im 14 years old, and im going to sign up at a gym soon. im stronger than most people my age and can 37 push ups an 14 pull ups. what do you recommend for me to start on?
The regular teen workout. GMcD: |
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2010, 04:38:37 AM » |
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Some of the stabilizers you need during isolation exercises may not be developed enough yet. Of course you do have developed some strength and therefore my recommendation would be to build an intermediate workout designed around those two bodyweight exercises. Scooby's intermediate might give you an idea. Yes, this is the exact problem i was worried about when i realised that Machines didnt use any stabilizer muscles and why i promptly chances to free weights and have since quit the gym. I am already doing this intermediate workout, almost exercise for exercise but with some variations (eg tricep extension rather than french press and 3 sets of lunges and 3 sets of squats rather that 6 sets of lunges). So this workout is fine for me, even though i dont have the basics mastered yet? what are stablizer muscles in the first place, also if you mean it does not use your back muscles and stomach muscles to lift on a shoulder press , that is a good thing , He doesn't mean using another muscle. Stabilizer muscles are the ones which balance weight, e.g. bench press, you have to balance the weight above yourself, on a machine (smith) the machine does it for you... It's not healthy for your body and increases your chance of injury. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 02:44:55 AM » |
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Well, i'm began to workout according to scooby and i have one question: Do I have to do those push-ups on fists? Well it's not so hard to make push-ups on fists, but when u adding the slow rate it becoming worse then a nuclear war!  making 10 of those is hell, hands starting to shake in the middle, fists r hurting.... so what to do? to continue that holocaust, or do something lil' bit diffirent? pliz help.... Thanks |
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2010, 02:27:12 AM » |
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I often see people posting here that are new to bodybuilding and ask about loads of exercises and complicated workout plans. You are making it too hard on yourself! If you are just starting out all you need is compound exercises (those that work many muscles at once) and whole body workouts 2-3 times a week. Yes, it is as simple as doing push-ups and pull-ups. If you don't get those basics of your strength down and move to complicated plans with isolation exercises (those that work only one muscle) too early, you actually may not even hit the muscles those exercises are designed for. And it can also lead to injuries and overtraining. More is not always better! To give you an idea about where you are standing, we set these two numbers: If you can't do 30 push-ups and 7 pull-ups with good form, you are better off starting out with one of the beginner plans you can find in the FAQ.For those of you younger than 17, not fulfilling those two requirements and wanting to work out at home, I also now designed a teen beginner's plan, which you can find here. After about half a year with that plan you should be ready to move on to the regular teen workout. Not trying to annoy you, I respect your opinion. But I'm 14 years old and I easily do more than 7 pull ups, and can do 30 push ups with no problem. (with good form and all). And I know plenty of 14 years old, and even younger that are way more fitter than me. And they do Barbell workouts like Squats, Deadlifts, Bench Press, Bent over rows and even power cleans. I even read in article those are recommended to do for teens, yet those exercises aren't in the teen workouts. Now of course when you start those exercises good form is important, that's why I plan on on starting with almost zero weight just to learn proper form. And progress each day until I'll reach full intensity with good form. |
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2010, 05:46:56 AM » |
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Well, i'm began to workout according to scooby and i have one question: Do I have to do those push-ups on fists? Well it's not so hard to make push-ups on fists, but when u adding the slow rate it becoming worse then a nuclear war! making 10 of those is hell, hands starting to shake in the middle, fists r hurting.... so what to do? to continue that holocaust, or do something lil' bit diffirent? pliz help.... Thanks Put something padded under your fists. Not trying to annoy you, I respect your opinion. But I'm 14 years old and I easily do more than 7 pull ups, and can do 30 push ups with no problem. (with good form and all).
And I know plenty of 14 years old, and even younger that are way more fitter than me. And they do Barbell workouts like Squats, Deadlifts, Bench Press, Bent over rows and even power cleans. I even read in article those are recommended to do for teens, yet those exercises aren't in the teen workouts. Now of course when you start those exercises good form is important, that's why I plan on on starting with almost zero weight just to learn proper form. And progress each day until I'll reach full intensity with good form.
Tom, our focus is home workouts. And that means safety is very important, because you most likely do the workouts by yourself, without someone who can correct what you are doing. I'm not against squats etc., but they require you to have someone around that knows what he is doing, as explained here. |
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2010, 06:16:40 AM » |
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Well, i'm began to workout according to scooby and i have one question: Do I have to do those push-ups on fists? Well it's not so hard to make push-ups on fists, but when u adding the slow rate it becoming worse then a nuclear war! making 10 of those is hell, hands starting to shake in the middle, fists r hurting.... so what to do? to continue that holocaust, or do something lil' bit diffirent? pliz help.... Thanks Put something padded under your fists. Not trying to annoy you, I respect your opinion. But I'm 14 years old and I easily do more than 7 pull ups, and can do 30 push ups with no problem. (with good form and all).
And I know plenty of 14 years old, and even younger that are way more fitter than me. And they do Barbell workouts like Squats, Deadlifts, Bench Press, Bent over rows and even power cleans. I even read in article those are recommended to do for teens, yet those exercises aren't in the teen workouts. Now of course when you start those exercises good form is important, that's why I plan on on starting with almost zero weight just to learn proper form. And progress each day until I'll reach full intensity with good form.
Tom, our focus is home workouts. And that means safety is very important, because you most likely do the workouts by yourself, without someone who can correct what you are doing. I'm not against squats etc., but they require you to have someone around that knows what he is doing, as explained here. Well, I can always start with a zero weight and look at you tube videos that explain how to do those. I've been told in multiply forums, that I can do them by myself. So what I'm planning to do is, start with a zero weight, look at videos on YouTube and record myself exercising to see errors in my form and correct them. Like I said I'll slowly progress, and make sure I'll use reasonable weight. (after watching your video) Squats aren't the only exercise I want to do, I want Deadlifts, Bench press, Bent over rows, Military press and power cleans. Which are all necessary to become faster, bigger and stronger which are my current goals. I understand your point, that squats are bad if they're done in the wrong posture. But I'm pretty sure that when you learn to do them with almost no weight they can't really harm. Heck I can even do them with my own body weight, and pretend I have a Barbell. http://stronglifts.com/how-to-squat-safely-when-youre-alone/ |
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2010, 01:40:17 PM » |
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Well, i'm began to workout according to scooby and i have one question: Do I have to do those push-ups on fists? Well it's not so hard to make push-ups on fists, but when u adding the slow rate it becoming worse then a nuclear war! making 10 of those is hell, hands starting to shake in the middle, fists r hurting.... so what to do? to continue that holocaust, or do something lil' bit diffirent? pliz help.... Thanks Put something padded under your fists. Not trying to annoy you, I respect your opinion. But I'm 14 years old and I easily do more than 7 pull ups, and can do 30 push ups with no problem. (with good form and all).
And I know plenty of 14 years old, and even younger that are way more fitter than me. And they do Barbell workouts like Squats, Deadlifts, Bench Press, Bent over rows and even power cleans. I even read in article those are recommended to do for teens, yet those exercises aren't in the teen workouts. Now of course when you start those exercises good form is important, that's why I plan on on starting with almost zero weight just to learn proper form. And progress each day until I'll reach full intensity with good form.
Tom, our focus is home workouts. And that means safety is very important, because you most likely do the workouts by yourself, without someone who can correct what you are doing. I'm not against squats etc., but they require you to have someone around that knows what he is doing, as explained here. Not the fists, man... it's something i can handle with... i mean pain in all of my hand.. it's hard to make even 5 in that way. I feel like I'm dying or smth, the pain is mainly in upper part of the hands, lil' chest and shoulders... like someone stretching it. plus I dunno where to ask it, but i need a good motivation to train.... cuz after i'm doing those 5-10 sufferig push-ups, i just thinking how i can't do the next set, and it's kinda hard menthaly and physiclly can u give a good advice? tnq |
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2010, 04:28:38 AM » |
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Not the fists, man... it's something i can handle with... i mean pain in all of my hand.. it's hard to make even 5 in that way. I feel like I'm dying or smth, the pain is mainly in upper part of the hands, lil' chest and shoulders... like someone stretching it. plus I dunno where to ask it, but i need a good motivation to train.... cuz after i'm doing those 5-10 sufferig push-ups, i just thinking how i can't do the next set, and it's kinda hard menthaly and physiclly can u give a good advice? tnq Alright, is the pain in your hands already there on the very first one? Then it might be a medical condition that needs attention. If it comes up later it simply might be your muscles not being used to this stress. Try to do knee push-ups and slowly build up to real ones. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2010, 05:31:30 AM » |
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Probably... cuz all i do is sitting or laying on sofa all-day (yes, i know!).... i think i need a bigger warm-out before the exersize.. but sure, i'll try knee push-ups too. |
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2010, 06:23:20 AM » |
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Not the fists, man... it's something i can handle with... i mean pain in all of my hand.. it's hard to make even 5 in that way. I feel like I'm dying or smth, the pain is mainly in upper part of the hands, lil' chest and shoulders... like someone stretching it. plus I dunno where to ask it, but i need a good motivation to train.... cuz after i'm doing those 5-10 sufferig push-ups, i just thinking how i can't do the next set, and it's kinda hard menthaly and physiclly can u give a good advice? tnq Pain is never good! Do you use gloves or something like that at least to protect your skin a little? Are you using your body tension while doing pull ups? On the motivation thing: Mostly I'm working out alone in the gym (when possible I train with friends though) - I'm listening to my MP3 player's voice and totally concentrate on the workout. Especially when doing cardio listening to your favourite music motivates a lot. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2010, 06:53:13 AM » |
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Not the fists, man... it's something i can handle with... i mean pain in all of my hand.. it's hard to make even 5 in that way. I feel like I'm dying or smth, the pain is mainly in upper part of the hands, lil' chest and shoulders... like someone stretching it. plus I dunno where to ask it, but i need a good motivation to train.... cuz after i'm doing those 5-10 sufferig push-ups, i just thinking how i can't do the next set, and it's kinda hard menthaly and physiclly can u give a good advice? tnq Pain is never good! Do you use gloves or something like that at least to protect your skin a little? Are you using your body tension while doing pull ups? On the motivation thing: Mostly I'm working out alone in the gym (when possible I train with friends though) - I'm listening to my MP3 player's voice and totally concentrate on the workout. Especially when doing cardio listening to your favourite music motivates a lot. Okey, thanx man And as i said, fists r not the problem, that's why i wrote about it, so u wonk get me wrong.. What i'm talking about push ups man... pull ups, i'm doing my best till the muscles starts to hurt and i'm not using the tension.. when i feel like i can't do it naturaly, i'm just stoping.. i'm not trying to make an acrobatic moves on the stick in order to pull up |
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