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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2010, 06:56:42 AM »

Not the fists, man... it's something i can handle with... i mean pain in all of my hand.. it's hard to make even 5 in that way.
I feel like I'm dying or smth, the pain is mainly in upper part of the hands, lil' chest and shoulders... like someone stretching it. Sad
plus I dunno where to ask it, but i need a good motivation to train.... cuz after i'm doing those 5-10 sufferig push-ups, i just thinking how i can't do the next set, and it's kinda hard menthaly and physiclly Sad can u give a good advice? tnq Smiley


Pain is never good!
Do you use gloves or something like that at least to protect your skin a little? Are you using your body tension while doing pull ups?

On the motivation thing:
Mostly I'm working out alone in the gym (when possible I train with friends though) - I'm listening to my MP3 player's voice and totally concentrate on the workout. Especially when doing cardio listening to your favourite music motivates a lot.


Okey, thanx man Smiley And as i said, fists r not the problem, that's why i wrote about it, so u wonk get me wrong.. What i'm talking about push ups man... pull ups, i'm doing my best till the muscles starts to hurt and i'm not using the tension.. when i feel like i can't do it naturaly, i'm just stoping.. i'm not trying to make an acrobatic moves on the stick in order to pull up

Ah, I see, my mistake!

Years back I barely made a handful of perfect push-ups, nowadays I'm doing 20 nice ones - after that I can't really continue Cheesy
I'm always trying to work on my lower back as for the last few weeks I have quite a little pain back there!
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2010, 05:19:07 AM »

Lol, I'm doing 8 pull-ups, feeling the pain in the muscles, yelling "This is Spar-Ta!" or smth else stupid and trying to do 2 more.... ext set I'm doing only 4-3.... cuz muscles just don't wanna work.. they send me to hell instead... Sad
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    « Reply #32 on: July 28, 2010, 05:24:43 AM »

    It works better when you yell "pro Roma!" - for Rome! Wink
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    « Reply #33 on: July 28, 2010, 02:06:34 PM »

    U know the best, my dutch friend ^_^!!
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    « Reply #34 on: August 05, 2010, 07:25:38 AM »

    Hey, i'm nearly 18 now and i've been doing the weights off and on for a couple of years, so there's been no consistency and only minimal progress. However, I'm getting back into it properly now but i don't want to start with beginner stuff, because i know loads about intermediate/advance workouts and can do the weights with good form. The problem is I can't do many pushups or pullups which would suggest that I should start back at beginner. Any suggestions please?
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    « Reply #35 on: August 05, 2010, 12:54:52 PM »

    Let me put it like this: I used to have French at school and my grades were ok, but I didn't make much use of it for years. Should I now get right into reading Camus' "L'Étranger" or should I brush up my grammar and vocabulary first? Wink
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    « Reply #36 on: August 05, 2010, 01:05:27 PM »

    ahhh, i guess i see your point, and thanks for the help  Smiley
    but if i continue my workout in this way, by doing each muscle intensely once per week, won't i develop the strength i need anyway, or will it hinder me or something negative like that?
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    « Reply #37 on: August 05, 2010, 01:14:12 PM »

    No doubt you would develop strength. But would the workouts be as effective? Right now your stabilizers may not be up for the job and you might get yourself a pretty good case of overtraining or even an injury.

    Because of your previous experience you may be able to progress faster, but I'd nonetheless still start off at the beginning again with those good ole bodyweight exercises.
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    « Reply #38 on: August 05, 2010, 01:44:40 PM »

    ahhh, i guess it's the smart thing to do then, even if it is a bit annoing Sad
    just to clear it up for me, could you give me a quick insight into the difference between the effects of 3 times per week beginner excercises, and once a week intense training?
    much appreciated Smiley
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    « Reply #39 on: August 09, 2010, 02:44:08 PM »

    guys, I have an important question, I have been doing push ups, pull ups, chin ups, sit ups, crunches, bench presses, dumbbell curls, and tricep dips everyday. I'm 17 years old and I have been working out for maybe over a month idk, and I saw your teen workout vid and I was wondering if I should just stick to that 3 days a week or if i should keep doing my workout everyday plus the stuff i wasnt doing which was on the teen workout 3 days a week
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    « Reply #40 on: August 09, 2010, 02:49:07 PM »

    you don't want to overtrain - all that will do is hinder your progress. scooby says to do it a max of 3 times per week because otherwise you're not letting your muscles recover, and therefore not letting yourself gain strength as fast as you could be doing. if you add some flys to that workout, and do it only 3 times a week, i would say that's a good idea, but i'm no expert sorry i'm just starting out properly too
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    « Reply #41 on: August 12, 2010, 04:48:39 AM »

    Hi, people

    I've been scanning everything Scooby has to say for 3 months now, so I suppose I've done my "rookie-internship-of-reading-all-posts-before-asking-a-yet-non-existing-question" and qualify for asking direct questions. Smiley this is going to be a long one, and I would really appreciate an answer, since I have a dilemma I can not resolve by myself.

    I set off 3 months ago as a complete beginner with a set of dumbbells adding on the intermediate exercises, doing a regular bike cardio and doing push-ups. In the beginning, I was training everyday, since I was really thrilled about my everyday progress (I was quite skinny, so I was able to notice every little change). I had no opportunity of doing pull-ups, however.

    So, as I said, I was noticing a lot of progress, started to add weight as I was getting stronger and improving my form, and started separating the exercises to a chest/triceps day and a back/biceps one, still working out every day. I was eating poorly (VERY low budget, and very, VERY little time, was managing to have one meal a day, and not until 10pm (yes, no breakfast)). So of course, I plateau. Now I started eating 6 little meals a day and I went back to the beginner's plan (introducing the negative chin-up strategy as well, since I can only do one chin-up, and a pretty lame one, too), combining it with the intermediate plan (MON - entire beginner's plan+chest+triceps; WED - entire beginner's plan + back + biceps; FRI - complete beginner's plan + shoulders + legs).

    I do all the exercises with an excellent form, so I have learned to suppress the desire to do another push-up by cheating (making it easier), and rather drop on my knees and do some extra maintaining the good form until I really drop dead.

    We come to my question:

    Even though I was eating poorly and been overtraining, I was able to notice progress. Now that I have consulted Scoobysworkshop more thoroughly, I decide to thrust him for obvious reasons; so here's what it looks like now:

    Push-ups:

    1. set - 12 (2 sec down, 2 sec up) + 4-5 on my knees
    60 sec rest
    2. set - 7 + 4 on my knees
    3. set - 6 + 3 on my knees

    note: for some reason, I'm really hurting my fists and fingers, using a pair of boxing gloves for the time being to ease the injuries till I collect money for a pair of push-up stands. AND my body keeps shaking even on the first rep of the first set, I suppose that's normal...?

    Chin-ups:

    1. set - 1 + 5 negative ones (just installed a pull-up bar)
    2. set - 6 negative chin - ups
    3. set - 6 negative chin - ups

    note: hard as hell, I force myself to do them for 2-3 seconds

    For all the other exercises from the intermediate section, I use a weight varying between 10 lbs (for triceps isolated exercises) and 25 lbs (chest, biceps...) per hand.

    So, the notification is - I've tryed just doing the beginner's plan for 2 weeks, and I've actually REgressed! that's why I reintegrated my regular intermediate exercises, while understanding that I need to fulfill the 30 push-ups/7 pull-ups-on-the-last-set rule if I want to trully advance to the next level.

    Finally:

    question 1: is it ok to combine the 2 of those?

    question 2: I've been feeling much stronger doing the exercises every day, instead of having 4 whole days a week of doing only cardio (the rule of the beginner's, as well as the intermediate plan). Is it still a rule of thumb, or in case it's ok to make a fusion of intermediate and beginner's plan - should I have them around the whole week, having a day of intermediate, and then tomorrow going for beginner's exercises, without the "gaps"?

    question 3: I don't feel like I'm really giving my best, doing just the beginner's plan, and e.g. my shoulders weaken rapidly, since they're really not that busy...in case you advise me to stick to the beginners plan and shut my blabber - is there a way I can maintain that beautiful feeling of "I worked really hard today" by increasing the number of sets per day? e.g. adding a 4th and 5th set of push-ups whilst maintaining the 60 sec rest rule? Or doing the whole beginner's routine twice a day on my work-out day? Or doing them every day of the week?

    question 4: this could easily be the very reason of my dissatisfaction - sometimes I make really long pauses between different exercises, e.g. I finish the chest, and then have a 5-15 minutes pause before moving on to the triceps. I've never found any rule on the duration on resting time between single exercises, should I lessen it? I mean, I take my time for a whole intermediate work-out, and I still feel as I've really worked hard, but I don't know, you do, and that's why I ask - should I shorten my resting time in order to be positive about giving 110% even if it will lessen my efficiency (in terms of reps on each set) on the following exercises of other muscle groups?

    thanks for reading, I would appreciate any answer, but I'm really looking forward to an answer from someone who has passed the zero phase and made it safely to the next one.

    greets
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    « Reply #42 on: August 22, 2010, 02:15:24 AM »

    Hello,
    My name is Dan Lewis, i am 16 years old and i weigh 68kg. Over the past year i have picked up a nasty knee injury, and had to have surgery in the past month meaning that i can no longer do cardio and leg training at the gym. I would love a gym plan and nutritional diet plan that could help Me try and lose body fat and gain more muscle also to gain strength in my upper body. If you can email me a basic guideline that i could stick to i would greatly appreciate this Smiley
    danlewis1995@yahoo.co.uk

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    « Reply #43 on: August 25, 2010, 08:17:03 AM »

    I think it would be great if the beginner teen workout was accessible from the main webpage.  I came across this only after a lot of searching.  I liked the teen workout for my son, but as I'm sure you've noticed with others, he's not ready for some of the exercises in the teen workout, and this workout is a better start for him.

    Thanks.

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    « Reply #44 on: August 25, 2010, 12:56:48 PM »

    Thanks for the suggestion, robl! We'll discuss it!
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