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« on: July 22, 2010, 12:35:15 AM »

Ah. The weighted chin up. I have only just read about this exercise and I rarely, if ever, see people have it in their routine. I used to really be over training my biceps before joining the Scooby forum. I would do 3x8 bicep curl and 3x8 hammer curl every two days, severely over training my arms. I have come to the conclusion that my bicep has, in a way, gotten used to the bicep curl movement. Here is my current Bicep routine, and below it is my revised Bicep routine.

Saturday: Biceps
3x8 Bicep Curl
3x8 Hammer curl
3x8 Close grip BB curl
2x8 normal Chin ups

My newly revised workout:
3x8 Weighted Chin ups
3x8 Hammer curls
3x8 Bicep curl

Should I be doing more sets of weighted chin ups in that routine, or less? Any other bicep exercises that are unique? Also, can someone give me a list of Triceps exercises? It is sad that I can only do Skull crushers with 30 lb. weights with both arms, and in one arm I can curl 30 lb dumbbells. I have horribly under trained triceps.
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 12:50:48 AM »

Well, chin ups are great for biceps but they are still more of a back exercise than a biceps exercise. May I ask what your back routine looks like?

I usually train back and biceps together, for many reasons. Firstly it's easier on my wrists, to stimulate my biceps enough I'd have to curl weights that my wrists wouldn't really agree with Wink.

Here are some triceps exercises;

Lying triceps extensions
Triceps Pushdowns
Cable Pushdowns
Overhead Dumbbell Extensions
Close Grip Bench Press

You can look all of them up on youtube.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 03:25:08 AM »

    Chin ups involve other muscles whereas bicep curls isolate the muscle, some people would say that compound exercises (ones that involve other muscles are better than isolation ones as they're more natural and therefore stimulate the CNS better.

    As for not being able to lift as much with your triceps as your biceps I reckon that's because the Bicep is the main muscle in the arms even thought the tricep is bigger than it.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2010, 08:23:58 AM »

    I do chinups and incline hammer curls as the only exercises for my biceps, but I do a full body AB-routine so.

    I'd say if you're gonna keep chinups curls & hammer curls, do your regular curls inclined. That'll be more than good enough.

    Chinups are a compound yes, but Scooby says they're for biceps, not lats, and really, chinups are the optimal position to use your biceps. Compounds works the target muscle better than isolations in almost every single case.This is because you're allowed to use a heavier weight, and the more muscles are involved, the more the target muscle works. Try doing bench press flexing only chest & tri's, then try flexing all your muscles. Most likely it's easier when you're flexing more muscles. But hey, everyone's different ^^

    For triceps, do pushdowns with rope attachment, or dips. Skull crushers can be good as they're a stretch-exercise, but they're not too good on the joints, so I wouldn't have them in my regular program. Maybe once in a while, but I'd focus on pushdowns or dips. Close grip bench press/pushups are also good.

    I'd recommend looking up exercises on exrx.net instead of youtube tho'. Youtube can have a lot of clowns doing 'em wrong and talking a lot of bull.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2010, 09:09:22 AM »

    My bicepsroutine: weighted chins (4 working sets, 5 total).
    Personally I find 3 exercises given to biceps too much, 2 I would consider good. However, you might respond extremely well to high volume training.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 22, 2010, 09:18:40 AM »

    I do chinups and incline hammer curls as the only exercises for my biceps, but I do a full body AB-routine so.

    I'd say if you're gonna keep chinups curls & hammer curls, do your regular curls inclined. That'll be more than good enough.

    Chinups are a compound yes, but Scooby says they're for biceps, not lats, and really, chinups are the optimal position to use your biceps. Compounds works the target muscle better than isolations in almost every single case.This is because you're allowed to use a heavier weight, and the more muscles are involved, the more the target muscle works. Try doing bench press flexing only chest & tri's, then try flexing all your muscles. Most likely it's easier when you're flexing more muscles. But hey, everyone's different ^^

    For triceps, do pushdowns with rope attachment, or dips. Skull crushers can be good as they're a stretch-exercise, but they're not too good on the joints, so I wouldn't have them in my regular program. Maybe once in a while, but I'd focus on pushdowns or dips. Close grip bench press/pushups are also good.

    I'd recommend looking up exercises on exrx.net instead of youtube tho'. Youtube can have a lot of clowns doing 'em wrong and talking a lot of bull.


    You beat me to exrx.net.

    However, I disagree on the chinups part. Chinups do focus on the biceps, but the lat involvement is just the same as in the pullup. The only difference, is that the biceps are in an advantageous position, unlike in the grip of the pullup. The lats are are working hard, but the biceps are in a more comfortable position to be used. In the pullup, the lats are the primary muscle, because the biceps aren't as able to support your body weight in the position they are put in, which is why chinups are easier than pullups.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2010, 10:02:53 AM »

    Well I mean, nobody get me wrong, chinups work lats a lot. Look at my routine and you'll see my lat-exrxs are chinups, rows (more for mid&lower traps), and pullovers. It just so happens that chinups are for both my lats & biceps ^^ If you're doing lats and biceps on different days, then yeah, curls are probably a better choice.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »

    Well I mean, nobody get me wrong, chinups work lats a lot. Look at my routine and you'll see my lat-exrxs are chinups, rows (more for mid&lower traps), and pullovers. It just so happens that chinups are for both my lats & biceps ^^ If you're doing lats and biceps on different days, then yeah, curls are probably a better choice.

    True, but If you are going to have a day for arms alone, Chinups would be one of the most important exercises. No use in doing isolations an for an entire workout. Chinups + CGBP/Ticeps Dips = win.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2010, 11:44:07 PM »

    Thanks for all the advise everyone. Tomorrow I will try something different and do Scooby's Killer Home Arm Workout and do triceps and biceps on the same day for a change. I wonder if this will give me different results Cheesy.

    ***After doing Chinups for the past 2 Biceps workout I have gained a WAY better peak on my right bicep and I can feel both heads of my biceps starting to even out now Cheesy.***
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    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2010, 01:56:32 AM »

    Well I mean, nobody get me wrong, chinups work lats a lot. Look at my routine and you'll see my lat-exrxs are chinups, rows (more for mid&lower traps), and pullovers. It just so happens that chinups are for both my lats & biceps ^^ If you're doing lats and biceps on different days, then yeah, curls are probably a better choice.


    True, but If you are going to have a day for arms alone, Chinups would be one of the most important exercises. No use in doing isolations an for an entire workout. Chinups + CGBP/Ticeps Dips = win.

    My two main arms exercises(I use DB's for CGBP), and I've gotten good results.
    For arm workouts, this article by the wolf is very useful.
    http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/the-wolf%27s-armory-an-overview-of-concepts-and-methods-related-to-arm-t-20602/
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    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2010, 03:21:03 AM »

    Thanks for all the advise everyone. Tomorrow I will try something different and do Scooby's Killer Home Arm Workout and do triceps and biceps on the same day for a change. I wonder if this will give me different results Cheesy.

    ***After doing Chinups for the past 2 Biceps workout I have gained a WAY better peak on my right bicep and I can feel both heads of my biceps starting to even out now Cheesy.***

    im pretty sure you didnt gain a whole bunch of muscle in 2 workouts,
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    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2010, 03:55:53 AM »

    Thanks for all the advise everyone. Tomorrow I will try something different and do Scooby's Killer Home Arm Workout and do triceps and biceps on the same day for a change. I wonder if this will give me different results Cheesy.

    ***After doing Chinups for the past 2 Biceps workout I have gained a WAY better peak on my right bicep and I can feel both heads of my biceps starting to even out now Cheesy.***

    im pretty sure you didnt gain a whole bunch of muscle in 2 workouts,

    Unless he's made of plasticine.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2010, 12:08:35 PM »

    Thanks for all the advise everyone. Tomorrow I will try something different and do Scooby's Killer Home Arm Workout and do triceps and biceps on the same day for a change. I wonder if this will give me different results Cheesy.

    ***After doing Chinups for the past 2 Biceps workout I have gained a WAY better peak on my right bicep and I can feel both heads of my biceps starting to even out now Cheesy.***

    im pretty sure you didnt gain a whole bunch of muscle in 2 workouts,

    Changing your routine works wonders.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2010, 12:48:09 PM »

    now i could be wrong, but your workout does not seem like you would be training your arms well enough. Does it work well for you? Do you get DOMS or feel stronger after the workout?
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    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2010, 12:59:34 PM »

    I have come to the conclusion that my bicep has, in a way, gotten used to the bicep curl movement.

    do pullups with an overhand grip. this will work your bicep in a different way
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