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« on: February 26, 2011, 03:01:17 AM » |
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Hello, i want to hear your thoughts on the heavy duty type of training that mike mentzer and dorian yates did and pros and cons?  |
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Scooby
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2011, 07:25:24 AM » |
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My general comment here is that you need to be *very* careful with the advice given by steroid using pro bodybuilders when it comes to workout plans and exercises. Many a natural bodybuilder has suffered from severe overtraining trying to do the ridiculous split workouts of the pros listed in FLEX magazine.
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fabbe
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 07:44:57 AM » |
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The volume is really low 1 warmup set and 1 working set to failure / beyond failure on each exercise so over training shouldn't be a problem . |
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T-Rex
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 07:57:27 AM » |
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I Agree with Scooby.
I am reading a book by Clarence Bass who is an acquaintance of Mentzer.
Mentzer's HIT Training believed in very hard, very brief and infrequent training.
Otherwise know as the "Wound Healing" theory of Supercompensation.
Dorian Yates also a Heavy Duty Training / HIT practitioner suffered some very serious injuries during his Olympia quests, including a Torn Bicep that was clearly evident at the “O”. That year he won because of the Weider Factor, not because he was the Best of the Best.
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fabbe
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 08:06:20 AM » |
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Yeah, I will be careful, but I am also very motivated to start a HIT routine because I have been doing FBW/splits forever so I'm currently working on a HIT routine which will match my needs. And I heard that Dorian torn his bicep cuz' of the "Dorian Row" . More tips and tricks will be appreciated  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 08:23:12 AM » |
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I think HIT is bull****, training to failure regularly will be problematic on your CNS, the extremely low volume is hardly enough to stimulate muscle growth, if you train every muscle group once every 10 days that's not even 40 workouts a year. My opinion of mike mentzer himself is not that much better, the man swears by HIT however you take a look at his career and he developed his physique from mostly volume training, then got a bit older and second guessed himself when in his prime he had a great physique.
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fabbe
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2011, 08:26:23 AM » |
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It's different for every person, I am gonna try it and if I see pleasing results I'm gonna continue, easy as that But thanks for your opinion. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2011, 08:42:09 AM » |
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Good luck with it, just be careful not to injure yourself, training to and past failure does risk alot in terms of injuries, most muscle tears happen when people say 'one more!' when they're already struggling
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 08:45:38 AM » |
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i think i have seen the training videos you are talking about... dorian yates - bloods and guts...
its hard to believe you can over-train by doing what he demonstrates tbh
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fabbe
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2011, 09:42:38 AM » |
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Yeah |
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2011, 09:48:01 AM » |
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can someone explain what HDT and HIT training is and what it look like. I know what they mean, heavy duty training and high intensity training but what are they about.
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fabbe
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2011, 10:19:52 AM » |
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like that, 1 warmup set 10-12 reps with moderate strain and then 1 working set to failure sometimes beyond failure on each exercise, very low volume like 3 total working sets for triceps etc, it seems to work for the most of the people testing it . And what their are about is instead of holding back 2-3 reps before failure on each set, you do 1 set and you give it your all, you can google etc with more info
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2011, 10:37:03 AM » |
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Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts Trainer: Back like that, 1 warmup set 10-12 reps with moderate strain and then 1 working set to failure sometimes beyond failure on each exercise, very low volume like 3 total working sets for triceps etc, it seems to work for the most of the people testing it . And what their are about is instead of holding back 2-3 reps before failure on each set, you do 1 set and you give it your all, you can google etc with more info oh ok yeah this is what scott herman does on scotthermanfitness. He goes beyond failure like these guys and hes ok but hes not very big. Just very ripped. |
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fabbe
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2011, 10:45:43 AM » |
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Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts Trainer: Back like that, 1 warmup set 10-12 reps with moderate strain and then 1 working set to failure sometimes beyond failure on each exercise, very low volume like 3 total working sets for triceps etc, it seems to work for the most of the people testing it . And what their are about is instead of holding back 2-3 reps before failure on each set, you do 1 set and you give it your all, you can google etc with more info oh ok yeah this is what scott herman does on scotthermanfitness. He goes beyond failure like these guys and hes ok but hes not very big. Just very ripped. No, scott does CRAZYASSMUCH volume, not like HIT and here its forced negatives not drop sets |
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2011, 10:53:56 AM » |
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Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts Trainer: Back like that, 1 warmup set 10-12 reps with moderate strain and then 1 working set to failure sometimes beyond failure on each exercise, very low volume like 3 total working sets for triceps etc, it seems to work for the most of the people testing it . And what their are about is instead of holding back 2-3 reps before failure on each set, you do 1 set and you give it your all, you can google etc with more info oh ok yeah this is what scott herman does on scotthermanfitness. He goes beyond failure like these guys and hes ok but hes not very big. Just very ripped. No, scott does CRAZYASSMUCH volume, not like HIT and here its forced negatives not drop sets s.herman looks pretty big tho ya he does about 20-25 sets sumtimes lol |
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