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« on: October 28, 2009, 07:05:32 AM »

The myth about burning muscle.

Because this topic has come up many times, I decided to do some research on it and get the scientific answer.

The order in which your body uses fuel is: glucose --> glycogen --> fat --> protein. Your body uses glucose and glycogen as the main energy sources. You use fat as the next energy source. The body rarely, if ever, breaks down protein and uses it for energy.

As far as “burning muscle”, I found the below. This is highly simplified, but I found many references that support it. This is what happens if you’re fasting; if you are NOT eating at all.

Basically, for energy the body uses glucose as its primary fuel. It gets glucose from breaking down carbohydrates. Any glucose not used immediately is stored in the liver as glycogen. Your glycogen reserves last about 6 hours.

After you run out of glycogen, your body starts breaking down fats for energy. It will do this for about 2-3 days.

Starting around the 4th day of fasting, your body begins to synthesize ketone bodies from fatty acid breakdown. This primarily fuels the brain and not the body (about 70%).

DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH STORED FAT YOU HAVE (your body fat percentage), once you’ve been fasting for approximately 5 days to 3 weeks, and the ketone bodies are depleted, your body starts to break down protein, which is converted into glucose by the liver. This protein will come from your muscles and your body organs.

Keep in mind, the above is if you’re NOT eating at all. If you have a good nutrition plan, even if it’s a calorie-deficit one, you’re not going to “burn” muscle.

EDITED TO ADD IN THIS MORE SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION BY MEDX:

Your body doesn't really store protein, it uses it to build body tissues. There is a huge amount of misinformation about "burning muscle/protein" as a fuel source. The truth according to current physiology and biochemistry research is that the body spares and recycles protein whenever possible.

As part of its normal regeneration process, your body is constantly breaking down damaged cells into amino acids which are then reutilized by the creation of new peptide bonds to make new proteins for construction of new tissue. This cell turnover is very necessary to maintain healthy tissues. The slowing of this process is one of the components that causes physiological decline associated with aging.

When carbohydrate reserves are exhausted, the liver can convert proteins into fatty acids, ketone bodies, or glucose. Before amino acids (the building blocks of protein) can be catabolized, they must be converted into substances that can enter the Krebs cycle for oxydation or converted to glucose/glycogen. The process of converting amino acids into carbohydrate (glucose) is called gluconeogenesis. It is actually rather difficult for the body to convert protein to carbohydrate in order to burn it. It only happens in significant quantities in two situations, during extreme high energy demand when glycogen and blood glucose are exhausted but before fat stores (lipids) can be converted into glyceraldehyde and then to glucose, or, in periods of starvation when both carbohydrate and lipid stores are exhausted.* The first proteins to be utilized are the free proteins and amino acids in the blood. The body will not cannibalize (notice the distiction from catabolization) healthy muscle or vital organ tissue exept in extreme circumstances.

Another cause of muscle loss is atrophy due to disuse, such as is seen when muscles are immobilized in a cast for an extended period. Some illnesses can also cause muscle wasting. Overtraining without adequate recovery also interferes with muscle growth and repair.

So, as long as you have decent nutrition with normal glycogen and glucose stores, have some non-essential bodyfat (above 5% or so in adult males) and adequate dietary protein, you will not "burn" significant amounts of muscle tissue as the result of resistance training or aerobic exercise. You still need to allow adequate recovery time based on your own physiology to avoid overtraining.

*Source: Advanced Principles of Anatomy and Physiology by Tortora and Grabowski, Harper Collins Press



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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 07:16:57 AM »

Thank you goldie, excellent post, answered alot of questions i had about that issue +karma  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 09:08:19 AM »

Hmm, if i dont eat for 5 days to 10 days i might lose all the fat which will take me months to get off!! wohoo!

lol! just kidding!


So the nutritional plan Scooby has shown us makes sure that we dont have the glucose and glycogen storage and the body starts utilizing the fats from our belly n love handles etc..??
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    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 01:12:07 PM »

    Great post, i'd just add for those who don't know:

    Glycogen stores in the body are starch chains, which get stored in the body as fat. This is why you shouldn't eat too many processed sugars, as the monosaccharide Glucose is the mainly used one. Fructose is a natural sugar produced by fruit which will not get stored as fat in the body.

    Sucrose is another regularly used sugar in food. However it is a Disaccharide (two - sugar) formed by the combination of glucose and fructose. In your body it is hydrolized into the constituent molecules, and glucose is stored as glycogen chains (starch) in the body.

    This causes fat stores. This is the reason that you can "burn" fat far more easily than muscle, as fat is meant to be an energy store.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 01:20:24 PM »

    Great post thanks, it's quit a relief too!!!
    You're always kinda afraid that you'll "burn" those muscles off!!

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    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 01:25:13 PM »

    the human body is a pretty amazing thing.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 03:11:11 PM »

    the human body is a pretty amazing thing.

    It kinda makes sense though
    Imagine if our ancestors couldn't find anything to hunt for a week and in that week their muscles wasted but the fat stores remained. They would be kinda screwed lol.

    1 question on goldies post:
    What happens if, during the time of the fast, the muscles are worked out?
    As there is no protein to repair the micro tears, what happens?
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    « Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 04:22:57 PM »

    1 question on goldies post:
    What happens if, during the time of the fast, the muscles are worked out?
    As there is no protein to repair the micro tears, what happens?


    Just a guess, but it seems logical that if the muscles are worked out during the fast, then any remaining fat stores will be used more quickly, and the muscles will not rebuild. So death from starvation will occur sooner.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 04:29:43 PM »

    Good stuff Goldie Cheesy
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    « Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 02:34:19 AM »

    and now about when you do cardio... Roll Eyes
    cmon, you KNOW they will still ask about it, if you don't put the CARDIO word in there.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 06:26:41 AM »

    CARDIO DOES NOT BURN MUSCLE!

    There, how's that?
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    « Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 04:18:56 PM »

    CARDIO DOES NOT BURN MUSCLE!


    Much better Cheesy Wink
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    « Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 08:47:59 AM »

    Great post, i'd just add for those who don't know:

    Glycogen stores in the body are starch chains, which get stored in the body as fat. This is why you shouldn't eat too many processed sugars, as the monosaccharide Glucose is the mainly used one. Fructose is a natural sugar produced by fruit which will not get stored as fat in the body.

    Sucrose is another regularly used sugar in food. However it is a Disaccharide (two - sugar) formed by the combination of glucose and fructose. In your body it is hydrolized into the constituent molecules, and glucose is stored as glycogen chains (starch) in the body.

    This causes fat stores. This is the reason that you can "burn" fat far more easily than muscle, as fat is meant to be an energy store.

    Sorry but i have to disagree with almost all of the above!
    Glucose is stored as glycogen in the liver, its not imediatly transformed into fat, that only happens when your calorieintake is way too high. Complex carbs like whole grains are also broken down to glucose and stored as Glycogen and nobody says that those will make you fat. Fructose can be transformes easily into Glucose and is just as bad/good as glucose, to say that it will never be stored as fat is nonsense.
    I hope i didn't misunderstood you, but the above is not right in this form...

    besides that: +1 karma for you goldie, great article, answers many questions...
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    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 11:20:31 AM »

    it sounds like it is pretty darn difficult to lose muscle.  But i think its little too good to be  true. . . . . .

    how do you guys check if you lose muscle or not?
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    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2009, 11:40:01 AM »

    look in the mirror, or better yet...monthly progress pics

    i do about 4-5 hrs of cardio a week
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