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« on: January 21, 2012, 12:35:13 AM »

Consider two identical twins - Adam and Bill.

Both twins are computer programmers and spend a lot of time sitting down.

They are both around 20 pounds overweight.

Adam decides he will jog for 50 minutes (once a day) - at 6 MPH.

Bill decides he will jog for 10 minutes (five different times throughout his work day) - at 6 MPH.


All things being equal (genetically, and dietarily speaking, etc), after 90 days, who will have less bodyfat?

Adam or Bill?

(p.s. I have no idea what the answer is, but as a treadmill desk owner, I have always been quite curious - thanks!)
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    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 12:39:17 AM »

    Consider two identical twins - Adam and Bill.

    Both twins are computer programmers and spend a lot of time sitting down.

    They are both around 20 pounds overweight.

    Adam decides he will jog for 50 minutes (once a day) - at 6 MPH.

    Bill decides he will jog for 10 minutes (five different times throughout his work day) - at 5 MPH.


    All things being equal, after 90 days, who will weigh less?

    Adam or Bill?

    (p.s. I have no idea what the answer is, but as a treadmill desk owner, I have always been quite curious - thanks!)

    Adam.  Quality over quantity. Smiley
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    « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 02:10:08 AM »

    Consider two identical twins - Adam and Bill.

    Both twins are computer programmers and spend a lot of time sitting down.

    They are both around 20 pounds overweight.

    Adam decides he will jog for 50 minutes (once a day) - at 6 MPH.

    Bill decides he will jog for 10 minutes (five different times throughout his work day) - at 5 MPH.


    All things being equal, after 90 days, who will weigh less?

    Adam or Bill?

    (p.s. I have no idea what the answer is, but as a treadmill desk owner, I have always been quite curious - thanks!)

    Adam.  Quality over quantity. Smiley
    The quantity is actually equal. It's been shown that it doesn't matter how you breakup your cardio throughout the day as long as you do it, so one guy is just running slower than the other. It's still Adam, but it's kind of a weird question. If you said they were both jogging at the same speed, there could be a debate about it.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 03:31:57 AM »

    >> "If you said they were both jogging at the same speed, there could be a debate about it."

    oh god sorry!!!

    that was a typo

    yes, both brothers are jogging at the same speed.

    sorry i fixed it
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    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 03:51:56 AM »

    Consider two identical twins - Adam and Bill.

    Both twins are computer programmers and spend a lot of time sitting down.

    They are both around 20 pounds overweight.

    Adam decides he will jog for 50 minutes (once a day) - at 6 MPH.

    Bill decides he will jog for 10 minutes (five different times throughout his work day) - at 5 MPH.


    All things being equal, after 90 days, who will weigh less?

    Adam or Bill?

    (p.s. I have no idea what the answer is, but as a treadmill desk owner, I have always been quite curious - thanks!)

    Adam.  Quality over quantity. Smiley
    The quantity is actually equal. It's been shown that it doesn't matter how you breakup your cardio throughout the day as long as you do it, so one guy is just running slower than the other. It's still Adam, but it's kind of a weird question. If you said they were both jogging at the same speed, there could be a debate about it.

    Yes. 6 > 5.

    Now, it's 6 vs 6.  I'd say it's adam still because he ran continuously.  However, you think they'll lose the same amount of calories?  Can you explain why? 
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    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 05:37:12 AM »

    Reason I ask is, because i've always been told "You gotta get in the fat-burning zone man!"

    And, as a treadmill desk owner, I can check email for 10 minutes, while going 6 MPH.

    But that goes by pretty quick, and doesn't get me too tired.

    Now, if I do that 5 times a day, then I have accumulated 50 minutes of going 6 MPH per day.

    But for me to do an all out 6 MPH jog for 50 minutes in one go, would be tremendously more challenging, than breaking it up in short minute intervals.

    So I always assumed that ADAM would lose more weight.

    But I don't really follow the research so i dunno...?

     Huh?
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    « Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 05:40:09 AM »

    Reason I ask is, because i've always been told "You gotta get in the fat-burning zone man!"

    And, as a treadmill desk owner, I can check email for 10 minutes, while going 6 MPH.

    But that goes by pretty quick, and doesn't get me too tired.

    Now, if I do that 5 times a day, then I have accumulated 50 minutes of going 6 MPH per day.

    But for me to do an all out 6 MPH jog for 50 minutes in one go, would be tremendously more challenging, than breaking it up in 5 minute intervals.

    So I always assumed that ADAM would lose more weight.

    But I don't really follow the research so i dunno...?

     Huh?


    If you're new to running, I'd recommend the second method first.  Although you won't lose at much as the first one, it's only a matter of 5 percent, give or take difference.  Smiley

    http://thinkmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?41313-Applied-effort-vs-load&p=229973#post229973

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    I may be wrong because I tend to view my cardio and treat it similar to lifting. Smiley
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    « Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 05:41:59 AM »

    Reason I ask is, because i've always been told "You gotta get in the fat-burning zone man!"

    And, as a treadmill desk owner, I can check email for 10 minutes, while going 6 MPH.

    But that goes by pretty quick, and doesn't get me too tired.

    Now, if I do that 5 times a day, then I have accumulated 50 minutes of going 6 MPH per day.

    But for me to do an all out 6 MPH jog for 50 minutes in one go, would be tremendously more challenging, than breaking it up in 5 minute intervals.

    So I always assumed that ADAM would lose more weight.

    But I don't really follow the research so i dunno...?

     Huh?


    look here http://www.brianmac.co.uk/energyexp.htm
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    « Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 05:43:38 AM »

    Reason I ask is, because i've always been told "You gotta get in the fat-burning zone man!"

    And, as a treadmill desk owner, I can check email for 10 minutes, while going 6 MPH.

    But that goes by pretty quick, and doesn't get me too tired.

    Now, if I do that 5 times a day, then I have accumulated 50 minutes of going 6 MPH per day.

    But for me to do an all out 6 MPH jog for 50 minutes in one go, would be tremendously more challenging, than breaking it up in 5 minute intervals.

    So I always assumed that ADAM would lose more weight.

    But I don't really follow the research so i dunno...?

     Huh?


    look here http://www.brianmac.co.uk/energyexp.htm



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    Have you tried it?  Is it accurate according to your experience?
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    « Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 06:39:09 AM »

    Have you tried it?  Is it accurate according to your experience?

    No , but judging by the whole site it must be pretty accurate. Also the results are much lower in comparison with other calculators which in IMO makes them more realistic.
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    « Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 06:45:24 AM »

    Have you tried it?  Is it accurate according to your experience?

    No , but judging by the whole site it must be pretty accurate. Also the results are much lower in comparison with other calculators which in IMO makes them more realistic.

    I see. Thanks.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 06:55:11 AM »

    are you guys talking about the little calculator at the bottom of that link
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    « Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 06:56:21 AM »

    are you guys talking about the little calculator at the bottom of that link

    We were. Smiley
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    « Reply #13 on: January 21, 2012, 07:00:16 AM »

    because on that calculator, the result is not reflective of a theory which may dictate that time in the "zone" would burn more.

    e.g.

    10 mins + 10 mins + 10 mins

    will give you the same calorie calculation as if you type in

    30 mins

    So i guess if i go straight by that calculator, then the answer to the thought experiment is they will both burn equal cals?
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    « Reply #14 on: January 21, 2012, 07:02:52 AM »

    If I'm identical twin of myself, having tried both ways and shed maybe over 100 pounds of fat in my lifetime, I'd say it wouldn't make a difference. Call it broscience, but I think steady-pace cardio in "fat burning zone" being essential for over 20 mins straight is itself broscience.
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