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    « Reply #90 on: May 23, 2010, 04:55:12 PM »

    Yes, and I agree with you. I'm not the one "debating" it.

    Glad we're on the same page.
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    « Reply #91 on: May 24, 2010, 03:44:58 AM »

    Not really sure I understand what you're disagreeing with. Creatine leaves your body at a rate of 3 grams per day, right? So let's say I've never taken it before and one day I take 3 grams. Then in 1-2 days there should be no creatine in my body? Plus, I'm sure there's not much harm in having just a little creatine in your body at all times if you take 5 grams only on lifting days, and you lift Monday, Wednesday, Friday for example. It's not the same thing as having your creatine levels maxed out from loading, in which case it's reasonable to assume that there will still be creatine in your body after a month. 

    There does seem to be some misunderstanding, which is making me think perhaps I need to re-read my original post in places where there may be confusion. I'll hit your points step by step:

    Creatine leaves your body at a rate of 3 grams per day, right? So let's say I've never taken it before and one day I take 3 grams. Then in 1-2 days there should be no creatine in my body?
    Well, no. Excess creatine will leave your body everyday. The majority of your NORMAL dietary intake of creatine (approx. 2g/day) will go to the muscles. You will always have creatine in your muscles unless you have a genetic deficiency in its regulation. The excess will always be passed out.
    If you take 3grams one day (on top of your normal intake), then the extra will cause an overload of creatine into the muscles, causing an elevation in levels. I have no idea how much - likely no where near saturation (max), but it will probably take a few days for levels to drop back down to 'normal'. Out of the 3g extra you intake, there will also be a sharp increase in creatine excretement (as well as its absorption).

    Plus, I'm sure there's not much harm in having just a little creatine in your body at all times if you take 5 grams only on lifting days, and you lift Monday, Wednesday, Friday for example.
    Is there any point in taking it on workout days instead of normal days? Why not halve the amount and take it on in-between days as well? Would have the same effect without the potential osmolarity issues. Taking a few days off every now and again isn't cycling.
    5g intermittently taken will result in a constant low level of supplementation (elevated levels). I doubt it would reach full saturation, but even in doses as low as 2x/week will never drop to 'normal' levels.

    A fully saturated muscle (loaded and sustained) takes the best part of a month to drop down to 'normal' levels (after supplementation is stopped). Therefore the creatine synthesis by the body will not be in full working order until this month is reached, and the creatine levels, intake, excretion and synthesis are all back to as they were before supplementation started. That's a true cycle.
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    « Reply #92 on: May 24, 2010, 06:58:41 AM »

    Thanks for explaining!
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    « Reply #93 on: May 26, 2010, 04:30:23 PM »

    Thanks for these pieces of information that are very usefull. I have a kind of stupid question but kind of important when you buy from Internet and dont have Some nutritionist advises. If, by exemple i want to take 5g of creatine in a day, do i take 5g of my product, for exemple cell mass?i Know it seems stupid but i dont know anything about creatine. So more clearly, does 1g of a creatine product is equal to 1g of creatine? Ty and sorry if my question is not so clear. 
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    « Reply #94 on: May 26, 2010, 05:14:24 PM »

    When we're talking about creatine, we're talking about pure creatine (preferably Creapure, which is the safest) not a product containing creatine. Usually products containing creatine say how much creatine is in one serving.

    It would not be a good idea to "load" creatine by taking a product which contains other things (like stimulants or vitamins) because you might OD on the other stuff.
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    « Reply #95 on: May 26, 2010, 06:39:10 PM »

    Ok thanks a lot but is'nt creatine ethyl ester better than creapur or creatine monohydrate for absorbtion? And a last question. Why cell mass which is a creatine product is supposed to be taken with no-xplode--->( as a pre-workout) and caffeine is supposed to diminish the effect of creatine... Its illogic...thanks again !! Tips are really usefull!!


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    « Reply #96 on: May 26, 2010, 06:59:31 PM »

    Sorry i forgot to ask what OD means...ty really appreciated!
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    « Reply #97 on: May 26, 2010, 10:59:12 PM »

    Ok thanks a lot but is'nt creatine ethyl ester better than creapur or creatine monohydrate for absorbtion? And a last question. Why cell mass which is a creatine product is supposed to be taken with no-xplode--->( as a pre-workout) and caffeine is supposed to diminish the effect of creatine... Its illogic...thanks again !! Tips are really usefull!!

    Creapure is not a different type of creatine - it's a brand of creatine manufactured in Germany, so in an industry full of dangerous products, this can be trusted more than creatine made in China. Here's what the FAQ says about different types of creatine:

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    Better Creatine supplements?
    Is creatine monohydrate the most effective supplement? Surely creatine phosphate as that’s your physiological form of creatine? Or the “stable” creatine ethyl esters on the market? The answer: none of them.

    Irritatingly enough (this is something that gets me worked up as it’s the manipulation of science as an excuse to crank up prices) the simpler the form of creatine, frequently the better. Why? Because it’s normally the cheapest. To ingest Cr into blood serum, it needs to be broken down into exactly that – creatine! Therefore if you take phosphocreatine or any other chemically modified version, the same process will happen – it will be broken down to pure and simple creatine to be absorbed. This doesn’t mean the other derivatives will have less effective absorption rates. However normally you have to pay much more (normally 120-200%) for these substances. So you may as well go for the cheapest creatine-only (as in not mixed with caffeine/sugars etc.) brand – 9 times out of 10, creatine monohydrate. There are NO studies published at the moment showing that any other form increases the absorption – short of the insulin-trend increases mentioned earlier from consumption with sugar."
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    Cell Mass is supposed to be taken with No Xplode, because they're both made by the same company and they want you to spend money on 2 products instead of 1. There's no reason to take any of that stuff. Pure creatine plus a cup of coffee are just as good.
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    « Reply #98 on: May 26, 2010, 11:01:12 PM »

    Sorry i forgot to ask what OD means...ty really appreciated!

    OD means "overdose" - like if you take 4 times the daily amount of a product and consume way too many stimulants and/or vitamins, even though you may be taking a safe dose of creatine.
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    « Reply #99 on: May 26, 2010, 11:49:52 PM »

    @Msh, how come you take and advise caffiene with creatine ?? most warn against combining as coffee/caffiene nutalizes the creatine.. I use Prolab creatine MH and steer away from coffee within 2hr..I started a non load cycle last week and got headaches so backed off 4g/day. Have you a study showing its ok to combine both??

    http://www.illpumpyouup.com/articles/the-effect-of-caffeine-on-creatine.htm
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    « Reply #100 on: May 26, 2010, 11:58:48 PM »

    oh, I didn't mean it that way - I never take them both at the same time. I take creatine first thing in the morning usually, then wait at least 30 minutes to drink coffee. Or I drink coffee in the morning, then take creatine before the workout.
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    « Reply #101 on: May 27, 2010, 12:15:47 AM »

    Thanks, just wasn`t sure if I read it right..cheers
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    « Reply #102 on: May 27, 2010, 06:03:41 PM »

    Thanks so much i think i know enough about creatine to buy some but in an earlier post you did you confused me a little bit because you said not to take creatine with coffee and sugar.but i heard sugar is helping for absorbtion because of the insuline it creates. So would you suggest to take sugar with cr or not? Thanks for the answer!! Nice forum with Nice staff! Grin
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    « Reply #103 on: May 27, 2010, 06:08:05 PM »

    Sorry for the confusing sentence where its written"you did" i didnt want to write it Cheesy
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    « Reply #104 on: May 28, 2010, 01:17:41 PM »

    I've heard that Creatine Ethyl Ester is very bitter, however i heard that with it, you don't need a loading phase like monohydrate, and you don't get bloated at all or nearly as much. All creatine works the same, just in slightly different ways. monohydrate you may need to load, it cause bloating, and has no taste, ethyl ester, no or small bloating, no loading, tastes bitter. choice is yours really.
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