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« on: September 07, 2010, 11:37:26 AM »

Some people say that I need to eat a certain number of calories to gain muscle (around my TDEE) while some say as long as you get the protein you should be fine.

So which one is it?
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 12:15:40 PM »

You need to get a sufficient enough amount of calories.. IF youre undereating then it doesnt matter how much protein you eat.. Lets say you eat 2 pounds of chicken in a day which is close to 200 grams of protein and about maybe 1700-1800 calories. If you just eat that ok youre getting your protein.. If your body requires 2000 calories to gain muscle youre already not gonna do it. Use the calorie calculator and follow it
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 04:41:48 PM »

You need to get a sufficient enough amount of calories.. IF youre undereating then it doesnt matter how much protein you eat.. Lets say you eat 2 pounds of chicken in a day which is close to 200 grams of protein and about maybe 1700-1800 calories. If you just eat that ok youre getting your protein.. If your body requires 2000 calories to gain muscle youre already not gonna do it. Use the calorie calculator and follow it

If I'm reading you right...you're saying that if someone has a 200-300 calorie deficit they will not gain muscle? There have been MANY threads debating calorie deficits and gaining muscle. Most, if not all of them, were inconclusive as so many people disagreed. From what I have found, it is perfectly possible to gain muscle on a calorie deficit. As long as it's not outrageous like only eating 50% calories or something of that sort he will be fine. He doesn't have to follow the calorie calculator perfectly; trying to do so will cause stress. Gah I'm rambling now...
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 05:27:12 PM »

You need to get a sufficient enough amount of calories.. IF youre undereating then it doesnt matter how much protein you eat.. Lets say you eat 2 pounds of chicken in a day which is close to 200 grams of protein and about maybe 1700-1800 calories. If you just eat that ok youre getting your protein.. If your body requires 2000 calories to gain muscle youre already not gonna do it. Use the calorie calculator and follow it

If I'm reading you right...you're saying that if someone has a 200-300 calorie deficit they will not gain muscle? There have been MANY threads debating calorie deficits and gaining muscle. Most, if not all of them, were inconclusive as so many people disagreed. From what I have found, it is perfectly possible to gain muscle on a calorie deficit. As long as it's not outrageous like only eating 50% calories or something of that sort he will be fine. He doesn't have to follow the calorie calculator perfectly; trying to do so will cause stress. Gah I'm rambling now...

I just want the right answer :/
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 05:46:02 PM »

I'm afraid it's a very debated topic and trying to find the right answer for you is like trying to find a platinum needle in a stack of silver needles. Some people believe you need your TDEE, if not more, others believe a deficit to a certain degree is perfectly fine. Like many areas of bodybuilding, you're going to have to do what you feel is right. If I was to make any recommendation in regards to diet:

- Make sure you eat 6 meals a day (Roughly every 2 1/2 - 3 hours).
- Eat a well varied diet and make sure EVERY meal contains a good source of complete / whole protein (Eggs, Fish, Cheese etc).
- Calculate your caloric intake and if you're way off the TDEE mark, find ways of introducing more calories in a healthy manner (Not shite food) E.G. Flax seeds are a good source of unsaturated fats, 9 calories per gram, add one or two tablespoons of these to your protein drink.
- Be creative.

Beyond that, there really isn't much more I could recommend.

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    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 06:28:27 PM »

    You need to manage to do both. Eating at your TDEE allows your body to feel like it has the resources to expand in order to build muscle, its a natural thing that no one can change doesnt matter how hard they try. Protein is also important because the amino acids that make the protein (also known as polypeptides, which are sequences of amino acids that build protein) are also the building blocks of muscle.

    So in order to achieve optimal muscle growth you need to eat roughly around your TDEE and with a sufficient amount of protein.

    You can also build muscle and lose fat while eating under your TDEE, but above your BMR.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 12:39:11 PM »

    You need to manage to do both. Eating at your TDEE allows your body to feel like it has the resources to expand in order to build muscle, its a natural thing that no one can change doesnt matter how hard they try. Protein is also important because the amino acids that make the protein (also known as polypeptides, which are sequences of amino acids that build protein) are also the building blocks of muscle.

    So in order to achieve optimal muscle growth you need to eat roughly around your TDEE and with a sufficient amount of protein.

    You can also build muscle and lose fat while eating under your TDEE, but above your BMR.

    But will eating under your TDEE and above your BMR cause you to gain muscle slower compared to eating very close to your TDEE?
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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 01:06:42 PM »

    You need to manage to do both. Eating at your TDEE allows your body to feel like it has the resources to expand in order to build muscle, its a natural thing that no one can change doesnt matter how hard they try. Protein is also important because the amino acids that make the protein (also known as polypeptides, which are sequences of amino acids that build protein) are also the building blocks of muscle.

    So in order to achieve optimal muscle growth you need to eat roughly around your TDEE and with a sufficient amount of protein.

    You can also build muscle and lose fat while eating under your TDEE, but above your BMR.

    you said it bro!

    But will eating under your TDEE and above your BMR cause you to gain muscle slower compared to eating very close to your TDEE?
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    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 04:41:50 AM »

    I read somewhere that you can build muscle on a calorie deficit.
    It said that as pound of bodyfat contains 3500 calories, the muscle will go into and use the calories from your bodyfat store to build.

    Is this true?

    At the moment I want to lose about 1lb a week but still want to gain quite a lot of muslce, I am on scoobys beginning plan. And I also read somewhere that beginners are able to build muscle and lose weight quite easily.
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