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« on: September 07, 2010, 12:27:59 PM »

I have a few questions about nutrition and about the free fat loss calorie calculator.

1) Normally you need 1 gram per pound bodyweight right? I'm 156 pound so that means 156 gr of protein each day.
The calorie calculator however only gives me 120 grams per day in total. Do I need 120 or 156?

2) A recent video of Scooby advises to eat flax seeds. It's the first time I ever heard about this. Is this really necessary such as protein? The third 'suplement' he advises is caffeine. Does caffeine add to musclegrowth?

3) On the fat loss calorie calculator, what exactly is strenuous exercise?
I go cycling 3 times a week and do between 50 and 70 km each. The other 4 days I do muscle exercises, each 1.30hours-1.45hours.
Is my activity level 3-5 hrs/week of moderate exercise, 5-6 hours/week of strenuous exercise or 7-21 hours/week of strenuous exercise.
This looks like it's a stupid question but it's mostly the word strenuous I'm worried about.

4) I am 180 cm (71,3 inch) and weigh 70 kg (154 pounds). So, I am not really fat. However I would like to reduce my fat percentage as it is now still average. What should I enter as goal in the fat loss calorie calculator? If I put it on 10% I will lose 14 kg in 1 year. I know I have to recalculate when I lose 2 kg but the fact remains that I can't really afford to lose a lot of kg. A few, to lose the fat yes but not a lot.

5) I have made a list of what I'm going to eat for an entire week. Fat and Kcal are always less then what the Fat loss Calorie calculator advises. For a lot of meals however protein and carbs are more then what the calculator advises. Is this very bad? Or are fat and Kcal the most important?

Thanks for the help!



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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 01:46:39 PM »

*cracks knuckles*

1.  1g/lb is fairly high.  Most would recommend 0.8g/lb of lean body weight. So 120-130 should be ideal for you.

2.  Flax isn't necessary.  He recommends it because of how many omega-3 fatty acids they have.  These acids compliment muscle growth and generally improve your health overall.  You can also find these in fish & nuts and stuff like that.  Caffeine is a great supplement because it will give you energy for your workout.  It enables you to give 100% (sometimes even 110%) so you get maximum gains. Caffeine does not add to muscle growth.

3.  The muscle exercises will count as strenuous activity if you're doing below 20 reps (and working at it!).  Anything above that and you're not really putting an effort into it.  The cycling counts only if it gets your heart rate up to about 60+% of your maximum heart rate.  Also, maximum hear rate = 220 - (your age).

4.  If you want to lose fat, make sure to do cardio and to eat below your TDEE.  Scooby's calculator will show your TDEE.  eating 500kcal below your TDEE every day will result in about a lb of fat lost per week.  For your body composition I would suggest about 200-300 kcal below your TDEE per day.  You'll lose weight gradually and can tailor it accordingly.

5.  Pretty much the calorie count is the most important.  Since you're trying to lose a little weight follow what I said in #4.  Make sure to get the right amount of protein during the day (as told in #1) and try to space out your eating to 4-6 meals a day.  As for carbs, depends on when you eat them.  Eat complex carbs in the morning, for energy all day, and avoid eating them before bed.  Pasta, oatmeal, etc.  Eat simple carbs before a workout or for some energy.  Ex: fruits, and simple sugars.

You should try to keep your fat low, but honestly it isn't a life or death situation.  Just pay attention to calorie intake, eat 4-6 meals a day, keep the recommended protein intake, and do your cardio. You should be good.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 12:38:38 PM »

Thanks for the reply. It helped me a lot. One thing is not entirely clear though. I have some meals that have 50-60 protein, while it should be 30. Is this a no go? This mostly is my evening meal. It's really difficult to keep the protein around 30 if I want to eat chicken or fish with whole weat bread or rice. I'd have to limit the chicken to less then 100 gram and that's not enough for me. Kcal and fat for these meals is ok though. It's the protein that always is the problem.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2010, 07:04:35 PM »

Thanks for the reply. It helped me a lot. One thing is not entirely clear though. I have some meals that have 50-60 protein, while it should be 30. Is this a no go? This mostly is my evening meal. It's really difficult to keep the protein around 30 if I want to eat chicken or fish with whole weat bread or rice. I'd have to limit the chicken to less then 100 gram and that's not enough for me. Kcal and fat for these meals is ok though. It's the protein that always is the problem.

Too much protein is not going to be a problem as long as your not consuming too many calories in the process. On a side note your body can only consume a limited amount of protein in one sitting so save some of that chicken breast for a snack tomorrow. Trying eating more vegetables instead to get full.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2010, 05:47:58 AM »

well i have a couple of questions;

1-i always thought that Kcal is for Kilo calories (which i doubt), if not what's the difference between Kcal and cal in nutritional labels and facts?

2-Scooby talks a lot about the caloric quality, what does it mean? i mean what if i eat chips, chocolate and other junk foods while keeping below my max calories per meal? how does it make a difference from where i get my calories?

3-about diet sugar (artificial sweeteners in general) is it good or bad?

sorry if the questions seem nooby but i'm new to the whole nutrition and bodybuilding thing Grin
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2010, 06:14:25 AM »

for your 2nd question scooby means.

if u eat alot of choc, chips, crisps, icecream.....  and all that crap you are eating, you wont gain muscle (you may lose weight) but you will mostly likely gain fat and lose muscle depending on your cardio etc.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2010, 11:18:04 AM »

for your 2nd question scooby means.

if u eat alot of choc, chips, crisps, icecream.....  and all that crap you are eating, you wont gain muscle (you may lose weight) but you will mostly likely gain fat and lose muscle depending on your cardio etc.

you are right, but what i meant is that i'll consume protein properly but calories from junk food and such stuff without exceeding my limit. what's the difference?

and any answers for the 1st and 3rd questions?  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2010, 08:14:37 AM »

I don't know much about nutrition as I myself had a lot of questions but I'll try to answer:

1) Kcal = kilocalorie.

2) I think that you have to eat as much nutritional and good foods as you can. If you eat a hamburger, you can stay under your kcal limit per meal but you don't get any vitamins and other stuff your body needs. It'll also give you a lot of fat. Your meals are not ony limited in kcal but also in fat. That means it'll have to be a small hamburger to stay under your kcal and fat limit, which means you'll still be hungry. + you won't have the needed nutritious substances for your body.

3)If you compare a diet coke with a normal coke you'll see that a diet coke is better. If you compare a diet coke with water you'll see that water is the best. What I'm trying to say is that diet food is better then normal food with sugar but it's even better to not eat that stuff at all.

Again: I'm not an expert, I can only say what I know from the little experience I have.


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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2010, 09:31:21 AM »

What is your goal? Fat loss or muscle gain?
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 10:01:47 AM »

What is your goal? Fat loss or muscle gain?

You can't have both?
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    « Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 10:16:18 AM »

    What is your goal? Fat loss or muscle gain?


    You can't have both?


    you do, and you find out how right here

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    6-Pack Abs Fast! Part 2: This video goes into depth on nutrition for muscle gain and weight loss. I show you 8 very healthy meals that you can make in 3 minutes or less .
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    « Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 10:21:03 AM »

    If you want better results you do one or the other. If you're trying to bulk up the .8g per pound recommendation is pretty bad. Protein intake should be around 1g-1.5g per pound, I find I don't grow on 1g. If you want to cut down then .8 is fine.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 11:08:01 AM »

    So say it breaks it down into 30 grams of protein per meal over 6 meals.......does that mean 30 grams straight from lean sources i.e chicken fish etc = 30 g per meal...... or total protein per meal i.e protein from meat + vegies + wholegrains = 30 grams???

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    « Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 01:48:55 PM »

    Count all of it. Peas, quinoa, and many other veggies or grains also have protein in them. Spinach too.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 14, 2010, 02:13:57 PM »

    yes, everything counts. however, it's not about the protein alone. it's about the amino acids found in protein. while protein from meat contains all the amino acids your muscles need to rebuild (making meat a source of complete protein), protein from other sources lack some the essential amino acids, making grains, legumes and nuts sources of incomplete protein.
    this doesn't mean all the other foods are useless, but to get a complete protein you need to combine e.g grains and legumes (for example rice with beans)

    check out this site for more information and read this thread as this was discussed here already.

    so what i wanna say is that you do need to count every source of protein as your total intake of proteins from a meal but also need to watch that not all sources of proteins provide you with all the amino acids you want
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