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« on: January 23, 2012, 12:58:31 AM » |
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What i mean is, if you don't have a clean nutrition with good amount of proteins you wont gain much muscle, but my question is, you still gain strenght or in orden to gain strenght you still need good amount of protein intake?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 01:30:43 AM » |
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My guess is that you still need those protein. You might still gain some strength without them but it would be in much smaller quanities.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 03:29:43 AM » |
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I learned this...when my nutrition was poor so were my results, even a loss in strength..not giving the body what it needs to repair itself..
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 12:38:31 PM » |
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Yes you do. When you lift weights you body will adapt to it. My neighbor is a farmer (as am I) and all he does all day long is strenuous physical labor such as bailing hay and what not. One day he came to my house and I was lifting weights and I asked him if he'd like to try. He said yes and benched 300 lbs for 4 reps. No weight training and his diet was complete crap and he looks kinda...big. Of course if you eat with right nutrition you will see results faster and they will be better but you don't need excellent nutrition to get stronger. If nothing else though I suggest getting a lot of protein in despite lack of nutritious protein sources (maybe hamburgers or steaks w/e you gotta do).
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 12:49:42 PM » |
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It depends.
If you are eating enough protein even tho it is the fatty one and you are eating some other food (whatever food) you will get strenght and also fat.
If you are not eating enough protein it will take longer for them to repair, most likely you will be stuck with the same weights because the muscles cannot repair. People without big arms cannot lift huge weights.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 12:52:35 PM » |
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Repeating and in a nutshell: if your diet contains enough protein and energy to build muscle, you will build muscle.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 01:39:42 PM » |
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It's not only protein. Your body needs fats, fibers and carbs as well.
I'm not much of a nutrition logger, I changed my intake from being careful (It took hard work losing 20kg of fat) to eating a lot! My strength and gains of these recent months have been great. It's also easier to keep proper form for some reason.
I did however gain strength with less nutrition for a long time, until I hit plateaus, that where actually caused by over training. And that was a combination of doing too much with too little intake. I'm sure of that now.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 10:44:29 PM » |
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Repeating and in a nutshell: if your diet contains enough protein and energy to build muscle, you will build muscle.
Thanks for showing me that you didn't read nothing. I'm talking about building strenght only, not muscle. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 11:12:23 PM » |
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Building muscle and building strength go quite roughly hand in hand. Or if that's not the case, show me a tiny guy who deadlifts 400lbs. With weight training you will build both strength AND muscle, you can only emphasize the other, not choose between them.
So if you work mainly on strength with 3x5 or 5x5 style training, your muscles will grow too. If on the other hand you work for hypertrophy with 8-12 repetitions, you will also build strength just not as fast as you would with lesser reps.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 01:49:03 PM » |
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"People without big arms cannot lift huge weights."
am i seeing wrong, or is he using psychic powers to bench all that weight instead of his boney arms? "Show me a tiny guy who dead lifts 400lbs." ill 5 up ya
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 06:52:28 PM » |
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In short term, yes, but in long term, you may hit plateaus depending on the severity.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 07:22:40 PM » |
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The vids speak for themselves, but coming back to the topic of this post, I'd still think the guys in the videos had at least decent nutrition. While they not look much in terms of volume, their muscles are still dense and require proper nutrition. I know a few people at my gym that don't look big at all, but can do some crazy weights. From what I heard, they stick to a fairly strict nutrition plan.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 10:56:54 PM » |
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I don't know about you but I wouldn't really call either of those guys skinny. The only "tiny" things I see are the black guy's calves. They do look a lot smaller than people who usually lift weights that big, I give you that though.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 11:28:55 PM » |
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The muscle needs the nutriments to build. If it doesn't have what to eat it won't grow. It's simple
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 12:11:19 AM » |
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Yes you do. When you lift weights you body will adapt to it. My neighbor is a farmer (as am I) and all he does all day long is strenuous physical labor such as bailing hay and what not. One day he came to my house and I was lifting weights and I asked him if he'd like to try. He said yes and benched 300 lbs for 4 reps. No weight training and his diet was complete crap and he looks kinda...big. Of course if you eat with right nutrition you will see results faster and they will be better but you don't need excellent nutrition to get stronger. If nothing else though I suggest getting a lot of protein in despite lack of nutritious protein sources (maybe hamburgers or steaks w/e you gotta do).
Repped! I believe that nutrition is only going to get you there quicker. Your body can almost adapt to anything. |
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