shlomo
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« on: February 02, 2012, 10:21:55 AM » |
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Hi guys, just by accident I found this video on the blog of Till Sukkop (probably not known, because he's german), nevertheless the videos topic is a talk by "Andreas Eenfeldt, MD" about the "Food (R)evolution", a nutrition movement from sweden based on the principle of a low carbohydrates and high fat nutrition. this is quite new for me, even though it sounds very convincing, i have some troubles because of my "fat-is-no-good-education", also i am not a native english speaker and perhabs i missunderstood some things... My question is now, do any of you have experiences with "LCHF"? What do you think about it anyhow? What critics come to your mind thinking about that? Here the link to the talk:
(The Food Revolution - AHS 2011) |
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Woe Is Me
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 11:09:08 AM » |
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-No evidence or studies support the idea that grains and dairy products cause diseases or obesity, so i don't see why you should avoid carbs or dairy if you aren't diabetic/gluten/lactose intolerrant.
-Fat is very good for you.
Conclusion:
-Do not avoid any products...just eat what fits in your goals macronutrients (most should be whole foods, micronutrient dense ofcourse) and apply moderation.
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MercNil
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 11:10:12 AM » |
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-No evidence or studies support the idea that grains and dairy products cause diseases or obesity, so i don't see why you should avoid carbs or dairy if you aren't diabetic/gluten intolerrant.
-Fat is very good for you.
Conclusion:
-Do not avoid any products...just eat what fits in your goals macronutrients (most should be whole foods, micronutrient dense ofcourse) and apply moderation.
If grains caused obesity, then the japanese people should be very very very fat. (sumo's not included) hahaha |
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 11:18:01 AM » |
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-No evidence or studies support the idea that grains and dairy products cause diseases or obesity, so i don't see why you should avoid carbs or dairy if you aren't diabetic/gluten intolerrant.
-Fat is very good for you.
Conclusion:
-Do not avoid any products...just eat what fits in your goals macronutrients (most should be whole foods, micronutrient dense ofcourse) and apply moderation.
If grains caused obesity, then the japanese people should be very very very fat. (sumo's not included) hahaha I know right...i hate those MDs and PhDs spreading misinformation... |
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MercNil
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 11:20:28 AM » |
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-No evidence or studies support the idea that grains and dairy products cause diseases or obesity, so i don't see why you should avoid carbs or dairy if you aren't diabetic/gluten intolerrant.
-Fat is very good for you.
Conclusion:
-Do not avoid any products...just eat what fits in your goals macronutrients (most should be whole foods, micronutrient dense ofcourse) and apply moderation.
If grains caused obesity, then the japanese people should be very very very fat. (sumo's not included) hahaha I know right...i hate those MDs and PhDs spreading misinformation... It's to promote one product over the other. Promote this, so no one buys this product. (conspiracy haha). |
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 11:25:10 AM » |
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It's to promote one product over the other. Promote this, so no one buys this product. (conspiracy haha).
True... Never thought of that one. |
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MercNil
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 11:28:27 AM » |
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It's to promote one product over the other. Promote this, so no one buys this product. (conspiracy haha).
True... Never thought of that one. It's the same with exercises and methods. Who gains if we do this? Hehe. |
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Tarrom
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 01:08:45 PM » |
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I have always agreed more with LC HF than HC LF myself, and even more after being diagnosed type one diabetic. Especially now, eating less carbs has me dealing with smaller numbers and thus makes it easier to manage blood sugar. Im not the super zealous low carber, as i probably average about 150g a day but I definitely find it difficult to go significantly over 200g a day without shit getting out of hand a bit.
On the diabetes forum I frequent, many of the type twos have improved their blood sugar by going LC HF, some to the point of being ketogenic. Obviously you need to take anecdotal stuff you find on the internet with a grain of salt, but I cant deny the overwhelming success of people on that forum. It does make sense though in that carbs raise blood sugar waaaaaay better than the other two macronutrients and thus should be avoided by type twos.
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Borracho
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 06:46:31 PM » |
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unless you are diabetic, obese and need to lose quick pounds, or physically disabled you shouldnt be eating like this. carbs make you store fat easier (so ive heard) but carbs dont make you fat, calories do!
stop eating more then you need to eat and you wont be obese.
fats are good for you and a must for your bodies hormonal functions but going over 20-35% is just over doing it and can be hard to not consume more calories then you need if your calories come from 70% fat, moderation is key. yea grains are toxic when NOT cooked, funny how these hflc nuts dont mention meat is toxic and full of parasites when not cooked. plus if youre a body builder how you gonna build mass if all that protein your consuming turning into amino acids is having a hard time going into your muscles due to not having a nice fast transport via CARBS?
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Woe Is Me
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 05:28:55 AM » |
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unless you are diabetic, obese and need to lose quick pounds, or physically disabled you shouldnt be eating like this. carbs make you store fat easier (so ive heard) but carbs dont make you fat, calories do!
stop eating more then you need to eat and you wont be obese.
fats are good for you and a must for your bodies hormonal functions but going over 20-35% is just over doing it and can be hard to not consume more calories then you need if your calories come from 70% fat, moderation is key. yea grains are toxic when NOT cooked, funny how these hflc nuts dont mention meat is toxic and full of parasites when not cooked. plus if youre a body builder how you gonna build mass if all that protein your consuming turning into amino acids is having a hard time going into your muscles due to not having a nice fast transport via CARBS?
So you are saying we can't live without carbs? ever heard about ketosis? Do you know what is a calorie? It's a unit of energy, that is not what make us fat. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 06:26:49 AM » |
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More paleo propaganda...
The state of nutrition in current society is totally fucked. Everyone subscribes to some specific dietary paradigm whether it be low-carb, low-fat, vegan etc etc. I call this nutritional absolutism, an uncompromising and predominating idea that fosters the environment where dogma is bred through closed-mindedness. People needs to liberate themselves from these sectarian shackles and realize there probably is no single perfect diet that is ultimately a panacea for modern civilization.
/rant
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 05:45:17 PM » |
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I find that steadily cutting down your total calorie intake works just fine for fat loss.
Carbs, Fats and Proteins can all be used as energy, so it's not necessary for your average person to focus on cutting one particular nutrient.
Keep it balanced, then your less likely to miss out on individual vits + minerals.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 10:52:30 PM » |
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unless you are diabetic, obese and need to lose quick pounds, or physically disabled you shouldnt be eating like this. carbs make you store fat easier (so ive heard) but carbs dont make you fat, calories do!
stop eating more then you need to eat and you wont be obese.
fats are good for you and a must for your bodies hormonal functions but going over 20-35% is just over doing it and can be hard to not consume more calories then you need if your calories come from 70% fat, moderation is key. yea grains are toxic when NOT cooked, funny how these hflc nuts dont mention meat is toxic and full of parasites when not cooked. plus if youre a body builder how you gonna build mass if all that protein your consuming turning into amino acids is having a hard time going into your muscles due to not having a nice fast transport via CARBS?
So you are saying we can't live without carbs? ever heard about ketosis? Do you know what is a calorie? It's a unit of energy, that is not what make us fat. dont mind if i butt in but i have the understanding that protein, fat, and carbs are all sources of energy counted by unit via calories and that when your body has excess energy it stores it as body fat so it can use it as energy if it needs it later on. so technically i think calories do make you fat such as too much carbs or too much fat or too much protein would make you fat if they are in excess. now im not ganging up on you just cause that fellow is spanish like me even tho we RAZA stick 2geter!! xD, im just informing you on my theory of why we get fat feel free to correct me or tell me to go jump off a bridge. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 11:36:17 PM » |
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Having watched the video, but high fat diet works for me. Feeling better, lighter, more energetic, full for longer, it is easier to reach my micros that way and it isn't hard to stay lean.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2012, 12:06:54 AM » |
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yea some ppl can thrive on a vegean diet others on a paleo, just gotta find what works for you i guess.
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