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« on: September 07, 2010, 10:05:28 AM »

sometimes somebody posts a meal and asks wether its any good. alot of times it would be about a meal not containing complete proteins, yet people say its a good meal so this person will now start using this meal to build muscle with. i dont understand this at all. correct me if im wrong but you need complete proteins or else u wont gain much if any muscle at all.

so im a bit confused here. am i wrong or why is a meal with uncomplete proteins approved of? i get 90% of my protein from meat and milk products because they are complete.


so whats up with this?
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    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 10:14:19 AM »

    well food is not a source of protein only. there are a lot of different other things you need to stay healthy and to live. an apple for example doesnt contain a lot of protein and there is (natural) sugar in it but would you ever say an apple is unhealthy?
    its all about balance
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    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 10:24:56 AM »

    well food is not a source of protein only. there are a lot of different other things you need to stay healthy and to live. an apple for example doesnt contain a lot of protein and there is (natural) sugar in it but would you ever say an apple is unhealthy?
    its all about balance

    yes i agree completly but most people post meals which they want to achieve muscle growth with. and uncomplete proteins just wont do that for them. nobody hardly ever mentions it to the poster either that while the meal is very healthy it will not help the person build muscle. and you can always eat apples besides your complete protein meals.


    so still i stand by my first post that i just dont get it when a person asks " is this a good bodybuilding meal? " and then most if not all people reply positively without mentioning it wont build muscle.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 10:35:51 AM »

    well you might be correct there, as incomplete proteins lack some amino acids that are necessary for building muscles, but e.g grains or legumes contain complex carbs and fiber, if you mix those two you get yourself a complete protein meal. additionally, i eat a lot of brown rice which is incomplete protein. however, i hardly know any person that eats rice without anything else. rice is a side dish which goes well with chicken for example, thats complete protein again.

    eating balanced is not only healthy but will also provide you with all the proteins you need to have so thats why people consider food with incomplete proteins as good too
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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 04:03:48 AM »

    this post has me thinking???

    I aim for around 30 grams of protein per meal. When im adding up the protein i include protein gained from all sources im eating e.g. if i have beans and wholemeal bread i get 200 calories and 10 g of protein from the bread and 260 calories and 20 g of protein from the beans giving me a balanced meal of 460 calories and 30 g of protein......another example is if i have salmon on wholemeal bread then i get 200 calories and 10 g of protein from the bread and 23 grams of protein and 165 calories from the salmon giving me a balanced meal of 365 calories (plus fruit i add etc) and 33g of protein.......

    so i guess what i asking does the protein i get from the bread (or from brown pasta / rice or breakfast wholewheat biscuits) not count towards the total protein i need i.e should i be aiming for 30g solely from meat/beans etc? or am i correct in taking into account all the protein in the meals?

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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 05:39:17 AM »

    dont worry, your meals are well balanced and great. no matter where protein comes from, protein is protein just that complete proteins (found in meat for example) have more of the amino acids you and your muscles need. dont think you can stop eating grains and stuff like that, theyre just as important!

    let me explain it to you like that: vitamins are found in every fruit and vegetable, some have A, some have C etc. all by their own are great but to have a complete supplement of all vitamins you need to eat various fruits and vegetables. same for protein
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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 06:41:51 AM »

    dont worry, your meals are well balanced and great. no matter where protein comes from, protein is protein just that complete proteins (found in meat for example) have more of the amino acids you and your muscles need. dont think you can stop eating grains and stuff like that, theyre just as important!

    let me explain it to you like that: vitamins are found in every fruit and vegetable, some have A, some have C etc. all by their own are great but to have a complete supplement of all vitamins you need to eat various fruits and vegetables. same for protein

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    Well here is the best thing I can say whether a food is good or bad (Thanks to MedX):

    Back to the original subject of this thread, we need to stop trying to classify foods as good or bad. It just isn't that simple. We need to look at them more as pieces of a puzzle. It's our job to look at the nutrients provided and piece them together with other foods to complete our nutritional picture. Peanut butter offers a lot of useful nutrients, including some mono and polyunsaturated fats.

    Taking that into account you have to look at the bigger picture of your diet, if you single one thing out like 'is beans a good meal?' well like a doctor I need to know what other symptoms you have to make a decision.

    correct me if im wrong but you need complete proteins or else u wont gain much if any muscle at all

    You do not need protein, it's the amino acids in the protein you need. So that said protein sources all have a certain types of amino acids and various amounts. Animal protein has all essential amino acids in a a balence so you really don't need any food to supplement the deficiencies.

    Look at plant sources they lack/are deficient in certain amino acids: Rice & Corn are deficient in tryptophan, so you eat foods with rice like beans or nuts to make up the lack of tryptophan. Cereals (like the type of plants) are deficient in lysine, which legumes are full of lysine so those are good to pair together.

    This brings me into the next thing I'll discuss.

    well food is not a source of protein only. there are a lot of different other things you need to stay healthy and to live....

    its all about balance

    Those two things are the summary, if a food has tons of protein does it make your diet healthy? Probably not, because there are more important things to focus on than just protein, protein, protein. I do not think of things as "good or bad" but actually "functional" or "dysfunctional".

    Example: Is a Banana good or bad?

    From this type of thinking we would say something like this: Yes, a banana is good because it's natural, has minerals like potassium and fairly low calories. It also has natural sugars good for energy.

    You should think of things as a function;

    Is a banana functional or dysfunctional? Well all depends on how you are using it. If you came back from a good workout and run, chances are you need sugars to replace glycogen so a banana is functional at this point.

    If you are about to fly on an airplane and you had the choice between a few bananas or handful walnuts, bananas aren't functional at this point because you'll get the energy spike sitting in your seat then get tired, but the walnuts are functional.

    What if you just ran and again the choice of walnuts v. banana? Walnuts are dysfunctional because they don't serve the purpose of refilling glycogen.

    But I'll say I am talking in terms of optimal because at times we do buy a banana at the airport because frankly everything else in the store is candy & soda or the McDonalds next door, doesn't mean your screwing yourself over but it is better than not eating when you have a long, long flight.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 10:18:02 AM »

    I do not think of things as "good or bad" but actually "functional" or "dysfunctional".

    Example: Is a Banana good or bad?
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    You should think of things as a function;

    love your comparison, great example, learned a lot from your post!


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