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    « Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 11:01:44 AM »
    Quote from: Polished on February 01, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
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    I have read through your FAQ many times in attempts to absorb it all, but I have also been watching some other videos and reading some other studies on it and had a question for you -

    Have you seen Will Brink's video on whether or not you need to cycle creatine?  He said that studies show no need for it (which I read, though my science jargon isn't super fluent), and you can take 4-5g per day for however long you want to with no negative side effects, which is very intriguing.

    I know the potential reason to cycle it, when it comes to natural creatine synthesis, but if this isn't actually an issue then I'd be interested to see how many people are just constantly on a regular dosage.

    I'm aware that it is happening and i'm skeptical about the need to cycle -- I don't think we have to really. But that doesn't stop me from erring on the side of caution in the FAQ, because even if just 1% of long-term-no-cycle supplementing creatine users have an adverse effect (e.g. dramatically increased risk of heart attack), it will become clear eventually. But Will Brink is probably right, along with those who do claim to have been on constant use for years.
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    « Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 01:19:57 PM »
    Quote from: Uglok on February 01, 2012, 11:01:44 AM
    Quote from: Polished on February 01, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
    @ Uglok

    I have read through your FAQ many times in attempts to absorb it all, but I have also been watching some other videos and reading some other studies on it and had a question for you -

    Have you seen Will Brink's video on whether or not you need to cycle creatine?  He said that studies show no need for it (which I read, though my science jargon isn't super fluent), and you can take 4-5g per day for however long you want to with no negative side effects, which is very intriguing.

    I know the potential reason to cycle it, when it comes to natural creatine synthesis, but if this isn't actually an issue then I'd be interested to see how many people are just constantly on a regular dosage.

    I'm aware that it is happening and i'm skeptical about the need to cycle -- I don't think we have to really. But that doesn't stop me from erring on the side of caution in the FAQ, because even if just 1% of long-term-no-cycle supplementing creatine users have an adverse effect (e.g. dramatically increased risk of heart attack), it will become clear eventually. But Will Brink is probably right, along with those who do claim to have been on constant use for years.
    While I accept you are cautious, Will also has fairly clear views on caffeine with creatine, suggesting there is no worry at all when the two are taken together. Does the warning about the 10-12 hour space between the consumption of the two also need to be updated?
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    « Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 01:21:16 PM »
    Already has been. Wink

    Still -- more than 1 independent source has published that caffeine can inhibit absorption.
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    « Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 02:42:25 PM »
    5g a day, no loading, no cycling off. plain and simple
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    « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 02:50:13 PM »
    Quote from: King Neptune on February 01, 2012, 08:31:08 AM
    "Recent research has shown that creatine increases dihydrotestosterone (DHT)  levels and increases the DHT : Testosterone ratio. I’m not sure as to the exact mechanism regarding why this is occurs. Since testosterone levels didn’t diminish, it doesn’t appear that more testosterone is being converted to DHT via increased 5-alpha reductase enzyme activity (check out this cool chart on steroidogenesis if that makes no sense to you), yet that is the mechanism that the researchers proposed. And it wasn’t just an insignificant amount, after 7 days of creatine loading DHT increased by 56% and the DHT : T ration increased by 36%!

    As shown in this recent review article, androgens are critical for penile health. However, I don’t believe that the effects of creatine and/or associated chronically elevated DHT levels have been researched in the literature. I was able to find several forum threads such as this one where individuals claimed that creatine wrecked their ability to achieve erections. I believe that this is the culprit, as the endocrine system is very sensitive and any imbalances can throw things out of whack."

    Do you have access to the article this is exercpted from, Uglok?
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    « Reply #20 on: February 02, 2012, 01:20:06 AM »
    Quote from: Polished on February 01, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
    @ Uglok

    I have read through your FAQ many times in attempts to absorb it all, but I have also been watching some other videos and reading some other studies on it and had a question for you -

    Have you seen Will Brink's video on whether or not you need to cycle creatine?  He said that studies show no need for it (which I read, though my science jargon isn't super fluent), and you can take 4-5g per day for however long you want to with no negative side effects, which is very intriguing.

    I know the potential reason to cycle it, when it comes to natural creatine synthesis, but if this isn't actually an issue then I'd be interested to see how many people are just constantly on a regular dosage.

    I own all his books. Smiley

    There is actually quite logical reason to have pauses, which ain't liver or health reasons.

    Pause of 4 weeks is to allow person to depleate ones natural creatine resources. For example: 5g a day for 60 days ensures that your natural tanks are full when you decide to take a break. There is no idea taking creatine with full reserves, as there is no benefit to be gained from that.

    I have gotten none negative side effects from taking creatine 5g a day for 60 even 90 days in row, then taking a pause for month and begining again.

    Eitherway. I do what I feel to be working the best for me, I'd recomend others do the same.
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    « Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 03:28:48 AM »
    Quote from: King Neptune on February 01, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
    Quote from: King Neptune on February 01, 2012, 08:31:08 AM
    "Recent research has shown that creatine increases dihydrotestosterone (DHT)  levels and increases the DHT : Testosterone ratio. I’m not sure as to the exact mechanism regarding why this is occurs. Since testosterone levels didn’t diminish, it doesn’t appear that more testosterone is being converted to DHT via increased 5-alpha reductase enzyme activity (check out this cool chart on steroidogenesis if that makes no sense to you), yet that is the mechanism that the researchers proposed. And it wasn’t just an insignificant amount, after 7 days of creatine loading DHT increased by 56% and the DHT : T ration increased by 36%!

    As shown in this recent review article, androgens are critical for penile health. However, I don’t believe that the effects of creatine and/or associated chronically elevated DHT levels have been researched in the literature. I was able to find several forum threads such as this one where individuals claimed that creatine wrecked their ability to achieve erections. I believe that this is the culprit, as the endocrine system is very sensitive and any imbalances can throw things out of whack."

    Do you have access to the article this is exercpted from, Uglok?

    Just found the primary research for this and reading it through properly. Shall comment further later.
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