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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 06:16:53 PM » |
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mkay, for me in bodybuilding every little advantage helps, and in bodybuilding an extra one rep is of some significance.
"If there was no significant difference, then why the hell would you waste your money on it?"
creatine and whey also both give small gains(granted you may not use either), creatines only gonna get you an extra rep or so and whey is only gonna make you put on slightly more muscle mass, but its all these factors (slight differences) put together and you find your workouts are longer and harder you move up weights quicker etc, but please tell me what then would make it worth it, would it need to let you lift an extra 700kg for and extra 90 reps to be worth it? popeye used spinach for that and greg valentino used...
Creatine actually provides a significant difference. Glutamine provides none. Are you deficient in logic? |
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 06:53:17 PM » |
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Creatine and glutamine are in completely different categories.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 10:07:20 PM » |
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Glutamine is not really designed to help bodybuilders. It's a non-essential amino-acid that can be found just about every protein source( fish, chicken etc). You have to understand that glutamine has to be digested just like everything else, meaning it eventually goes in the blood stream and from there to your muscles and organs. What glutamine does is replace you glycogen levels, and thus helping to repair damaged tissue(that includes muscle fibers). This is the reason why glutamine is considered a sport supplement. But remember, it was not created for the purpose of bodybuilding, its mostly used to heal patience after surgery quicker. Taking additional glutamine may help, but not all that much. However if you need to take something because you need a supplement to believe in to make progress at the gym, than take glutamine, its 100% safe and no side-effects, plus you might never get sick while taking it.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2010, 06:27:17 AM » |
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Creatine actually provides a significant difference. Glutamine provides none. Are you deficient in logic? [/quote] well its nice you feel you need to attack me rather than attack my argument, my logics just fine thanks, i'll use creatine for its small performance boost, allowing me to damage my muscles a little more than without, and i'll continue to use glutamine to improve my recovery of damaged muscle tissue a little more than without, and that small difference added up over all the time i'm lifting, makes enough difference to me to make sure i get more glutamine than i need. "Creatine and glutamine are in completely different categories" yes kohdii as is whey, but its the combination of things (supplements) that compliment each others effects, my point was that creatine only gives you small benefits (more than glutmine yes and very different effects/use) however creatine seems like more because of the visual elements (the water retention makes you look like your further than it actually helped you to get). Taking additional glutamine may help, but not all that much. However if you need to take something because you need a supplement to believe in to make progress at the gym, than take glutamine, its 100% safe and no side-effects, plus you might never get sick while taking it.
i'll 'believe' in something if it seems to make sense on paper, and seems to make a difference when taken. i have been lucky and not been ill for quite awhile so yeah theres that too i guess. and obviously like all supplements you maybe getting enough through your diet, and in that case obviously its not needed... its a supplement... which is why as far as i remember my first post quoted the sources for the OP. |
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2010, 10:22:40 AM » |
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Glutamine is not really designed to help bodybuilders. It's a non-essential amino-acid that can be found just about every protein source( fish, chicken etc). You have to understand that glutamine has to be digested just like everything else, meaning it eventually goes in the blood stream and from there to your muscles and organs. What glutamine does is replace you glycogen levels, and thus helping to repair damaged tissue(that includes muscle fibers). This is the reason why glutamine is considered a sport supplement. But remember, it was not created for the purpose of bodybuilding, its mostly used to heal patience after surgery quicker. Taking additional glutamine may help, but not all that much. However if you need to take something because you need a supplement to believe in to make progress at the gym, than take glutamine, its 100% safe and no side-effects, plus you might never get sick while taking it.
1. It was not "created" its a naturally occurring amino acid. 2. It is very beneficial towards bodybuilders for all the reasons you already stated. Replenishes glycogen levels, helps ward off sugar cravings, prevents catabolism, etc. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 12:00:04 PM » |
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1. It was not "created" its a naturally occurring amino acid. 2. It is very beneficial towards bodybuilders for all the reasons you already stated. Replenishes glycogen levels, helps ward off sugar cravings, prevents catabolism, etc. <3  edit, lol i suck at quoting  |
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 12:50:19 PM » |
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well its nice you feel you need to attack me rather than attack my argument, my logics just fine thanks, i'll use creatine for its small performance boost, allowing me to damage my muscles a little more than without, and i'll continue to use glutamine to improve my recovery of damaged muscle tissue a little more than without, and that small difference added up over all the time i'm lifting, makes enough difference to me to make sure i get more glutamine than i need.
I already showed you scientific literature which shows that supplementing with glutamine showed no significant results vs. people that don't supplement with it. You even stated: "'with no significant difference' Did you expect more?" A statement which is devoid of any rational thinking; if I add glutamine to my lifting program there better be a positive difference while I supplement with it vs when I didn't supplement with it. I already picked apart your argument, so you're the only one that's left to argue with. To be honest, it's pretty clear that all your trying to do is justify the money you spent on glutamine because you're constantly defending it, while using yourself as the subject. Glutamine is not really designed to help bodybuilders. It's a non-essential amino-acid that can be found just about every protein source( fish, chicken etc). You have to understand that glutamine has to be digested just like everything else, meaning it eventually goes in the blood stream and from there to your muscles and organs. What glutamine does is replace you glycogen levels, and thus helping to repair damaged tissue(that includes muscle fibers). This is the reason why glutamine is considered a sport supplement. But remember, it was not created for the purpose of bodybuilding, its mostly used to heal patience after surgery quicker. Taking additional glutamine may help, but not all that much. However if you need to take something because you need a supplement to believe in to make progress at the gym, than take glutamine, its 100% safe and no side-effects, plus you might never get sick while taking it.
1. It was not "created" its a naturally occurring amino acid. 2. It is very beneficial towards bodybuilders for all the reasons you already stated. Replenishes glycogen levels, helps ward off sugar cravings, prevents catabolism, etc. If you already consume carbohydrates post workout, the addition of glutamine will do nothing for glycogen replenishment. It's useless as a supplement, unless your body can't synthesize it's own. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 04:58:31 PM » |
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well Truth if you'd read and understood what i and others had posted and what you linked you might get the point. this has gone back and forth more than enough for the OP to make up his mind.
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2010, 02:35:15 AM » |
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Truth:
It's not like that. Science does not prove that something does not work. It proves that things work. So if there are 10 studies that "shows" no significant benefit, it does not mean that it is worthless. And again, it is a amino acid, it can't be totally worthless, although I do not think it is worth the money, but that is not the same thing.
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2010, 04:00:20 AM » |
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10 studies show glutamine is useless within bodybuilding and shows no differences in strength gains or anything yet that shows it's not useless? Lol that makes sense. If your bodybuilding you'l be eating protein, which contains glutamine... Truths point is glutamine SUPPLEMENTATION useless.
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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2010, 04:40:45 AM » |
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Truth:
It's not like that. Science does not prove that something does not work. It proves that things work. So if there are 10 studies that "shows" no significant benefit, it does not mean that it is worthless. And again, it is a amino acid, it can't be totally worthless, although I do not think it is worth the money, but that is not the same thing.
I hope you're joking. My point from the very beginning was that supplementing with glutamine is a waste of cash. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2010, 06:44:12 AM » |
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As I said, I do not use it either, because I think it is not worth the money, but I still thought it had some function. And even if it does not have some function directly connected to bodybuilding it can still be of use, if it for example is good for the general health and so on. I know there are no evidence for glutamine and bodybuilding directly, like performance boost, better recuperation or better gains in any way, but it says it can be good for the immune defence, and is involved in synthesis of protein in the body.
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2010, 10:21:03 AM » |
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As I said, I do not use it either, because I think it is not worth the money, but I still thought it had some function. And even if it does not have some function directly connected to bodybuilding it can still be of use, if it for example is good for the general health and so on. I know there are no evidence for glutamine and bodybuilding directly, like performance boost, better recuperation or better gains in any way, but it says it can be good for the immune defence, and is involved in synthesis of protein in the body.
Those are all functions of glutamine, yes. Adding MORE than what your body synthesizes on it's own and the amount that you get from protein shakes, it's a waste. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2010, 05:48:49 AM » |
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If i get a protein shake after my workout which contains both glutamine and creatine is that a prob?
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2010, 05:53:25 AM » |
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According to some people, glutamine is not worth the money, but if you mean function-wise, there are no negative effects from it, that I know about.
I guess you have some "post-workout shake" that includes em both?
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