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« on: September 08, 2010, 11:05:14 AM »

i was reading on the internet and there is a lot of misconception.

ive been drinkin a lot of water.
and youre suppose to take on an empty stomach?

i took 5g when i woke up, 5g before lunch, 5g after working out and 5g before bed

is caffeine good or bad? i drink an energy drink a day so im not sure if its okay or not, i read both

and what is this about citrus drinks...good or bad? what about orange gatorade?

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 11:13:58 AM »

You don't need to load or cycle creatine.

Some caffeine is okay but don't over do it.

Fruit drinks are fine if they fit into your diet/calorie scheme.

Doesn't matter if stomach is empty or full.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 02:12:27 PM »

    I used to take creatine, and I will take it again when I start working out properly.

    Here are the answers to your question:

    Caffeine will give you energy but it will dehydrate you. Creatine uses water to get into your cells, and therefore by dehydrating you are going to get less absorption of creatine into your cells.


    Fruit JUICES when mixed with creatine worked very well for me, for instance Orange Juice with 5g of creatine provided good results, as it contains some water, obviously the creatine, and also some carbohydrates for increased absorption.

    People say that the Fruit Juices can be a problem as they are acidic, however Creatine Monohydrate itself is acidic.

    Also fruit sports drinks again are alright, however I would avoid too many, as they generally contain a large amount of simple carbohydrates, which will turn into fat if not used.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 05:02:39 PM »

    When you do a cycle of creatine, the part of the cycle when you see the most benefits/effects is when you reach 'maximum absorption'. In other words, when you reach the point in your cycle where your body's creatine levels are at their highest, youre going to be getting the most out of it. The reason people recommend a loading phase is because it helps you reach maximum absorption in a shorter period of time, assuming your body is able to absorb all the creatine youre ingesting during loading. 20grams a day tho, for a loading phase, is overdoing it...

    Heres what i would recommend doing:
    For ten days, take two 3-5 grams servings.. have the first serving on a relatively empty stomach, about 2 hours before your workout, or about an hour before your pre-workout meal. Have the second serving right after your workout. if you drink a protein shake after your workout, you can just add your creatine mix to this.
    After ten days of doing this, switch to one 5 gram serving, after your workout. How long you keep on this dosage is up to you, but i personally recommend cycling off after about 2 months. Then, wait at least a month, and repeat the whole process if you wish!

    Theres tons of debate on whether or not you 'need' to cycle off creatine, and personally- i believe you should. I mean, if your body doesnt naturally hold that much creatine, and by taking creatine you are altering your natural levels, then to me it makes sense to only have elevated levels for a while..about 2 months IMO. Then, cycle off, let your creatine levels go back to their natural state. Keep them like this for a month or so, then cycle back on. Also, i find when i cycle off the stuff, my weights im lifting usually drop a bit. During the time im off creatine, i try to push myself hard, and get all my lifts to where they were while on creatine. and by this time, its been about a month, and i can cycle back on. By doing this you can make steady progress and see steady gains, and know that its not just the creatine, but that your lifts are actually on par with your bodys natural strength. Again tho, i think 20 grams a day is way too much, even for loading. Id say 6-10 grams a day for loading, and about 5 a day during the maintenance phase.

    Caffeine it doesnt have an effect on actual creatine absorbtion. If you drink lots of water all throughout the day, the slight dehydrating effect caffeine has wont be a problem or inhibit the effects of the creatine. So one energy drink a day is fine if youre taking creatine. Just keep drinking lots of water Smiley

    As for what to mix the creatine with- it really depends. Creatine is best taken with a fast acting carb, and dextrose works best. Gatorade mix is mostly all dextrose, so thats my personal favourite. However, thats assuming you are just using straight creatine. Creatine monohydrate is the most effective, safest, and cheapest form of creatine out there, and mixing a scoop of creatine mono, and a couple scoops of gatorade works great. But if you opt for the premixed creatine blends (like cellmass or celltec.. which i wouldnt recommend becasue they are overpriced crap and full of tons of potentially unsafe additives..), then theyve already got lots of dextrose and sugars, and mixing them with gatorade or juice isnt necessary. Another thing to keep in mind is that after an intense workout, your bodys glycogen energy stores are used up, and looking to be replenished and restored. The fastest, easiest, most effective way to do this is with a simple carb (again, like dextrose). Both protein and creatine should be taken after your workout, and a simple carb helps both of them with absorption. For this reason, i think the ultimate post workout shake is: Vanilla whey, a couple scoops of orange gatorade, and 5 grams of creapure monohydrate. Not only are you giving your body everything its 'begging for' after your workouts, but this mix tastes amazing.. like orange creamsicle!

    All in all, creatine is no miracle. It improves your strength and apparently aids in recovery, and can help you push out those heavy reps and long sets better than if you werent taking creatine. Its also great for helping bust thru a lifting plateau. But if youre new to workout out, or dont really hit the gym too hard or often, or dont take it everyday for your cycle, then dont expect it to do much.. better yet, dont even take it. In my opinion, its most effective when you workout hard, are experienced and have a good knowledge of lifting form and how long your body takes to naturally recover after a workout, and when take it daily (for the duration of your cycle) in conjunction with a well balanced diet and plenty of rest!
    hope that helps!

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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 05:20:16 PM »

    You don't "need" to cycle off. Creatine works by increasing intramuscular stores of creatine, which provides short-term energy for intense contractions. The body doesn't "stop being able to store creatine". Believing that would be like believing that the body can stop being able to store glycogen in muscles or fatty acids as body fat.

    What happens is that people originally get a "kick" from creatine because their intramuscular stores go from probably 60-70% loaded to 90-95% loaded. That will lead to a marked improvement in your lifting capacity and recovery.

    But your stores are limited. Basically they are limited by the size of your muscles (obviously the more muscle you have, the more creatine you store) so if you muscle mass stays stable on increase slightly you will not store more creatine. It's like putting water in a bottle, eventually the bottle is full and any more cannot be stored.

    That doesn't mean that you need to cycle off creatine.

    If you cycle off your intramuscular stores of creatine will decrease back down to their original level. So if you wait a while and cycle back on, YES you will get a kick once again. But that kick will only bring you back up to where you would have been had you not stopped.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »

    i totally agree. and after plowing thru as much creatine literature as possible, i know its not a matter of whether or not you develop a tolerance to it, or if you no longer get the benefits if you take it non stop, or any of the other myths about why you should cycle off..
    all i was saying is that whether or not its proven to be safe to have higher levels of creatine than natural, all the time, and never cycling off... i choose to cycle off. i just like knowing that after a couple months of having higher than natural levels of something in my body, im once again back to my natural levels. totally personal preference. so far theres no negative long term effects reported from taking creatine by anyone, anywhere. but it is still relatively new (when compared to how long bodybuilding has been around..) But i like to know im keeping things as 'natural' as possible, and by cycling on and building up my bodies creatine stores, then cycling off and returning to normal for a month or so, i feel im better accomplishing this. Also, cycling off gives me my next cycle (and the lifting increases it brings) to look forward to Wink

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    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 09:11:31 AM »

    you dont have to cycle creatine that's true. referring to the "national healt organisation" (dunno if thats the right word) of germany there's no concern about taking a dosage of up to 2 grams of creatine per day over a longer period of time.

    I personally do cycle creatine, not exactly the same way as tgo but that doesn't matter that much. But why would i cycle?
    well, your body does produce/synthesize creatine itself so i think it's better to cycle of after a while, to avoid that your body does not synthesize creatine itself anymore.

    but you've gotta decide for ur own
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