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« on: July 30, 2010, 12:34:01 AM » |
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Has anyone tried Tongkat Ali, scientific name Eurycoma longiflora? I read that it has been used by bodybuilders as a natural testosterone booster, but it is also known as Asian Viagra and is used by men who have problems in the bedroom.
Anyone tried it and can vouch for its effectiveness in boosting testosterone?
Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 05:28:59 AM » |
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I'm a natural skeptic, so I would be extremely wary of trying any supplement. As scooby has mentioned repeatedly, there is no regulation, and therefore no guarantee that what they say is in the bottle is actually in there. There are many stories about people who take some strange supplement for years to find out it was slowly giving them lead poisoning or something similar.
For these kind of things (especially things used to enhance virility) I think most of the time there's only a placebo effect. Which means, it only works because you think it does, while the drug isn't actually doing anything.
If you have a medical condition that is causing you to produce less testosterone, go see a doctor. And if not, stay away from these things, you'll be much better off in the long run.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 06:10:54 AM » |
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I'm a natural skeptic, so I would be extremely wary of trying any supplement. As scooby has mentioned repeatedly, there is no regulation, and therefore no guarantee that what they say is in the bottle is actually in there. There are many stories about people who take some strange supplement for years to find out it was slowly giving them lead poisoning or something similar.
For these kind of things (especially things used to enhance virility) I think most of the time there's only a placebo effect. Which means, it only works because you think it does, while the drug isn't actually doing anything.
If you have a medical condition that is causing you to produce less testosterone, go see a doctor. And if not, stay away from these things, you'll be much better off in the long run.
Why the hell does everyone think that the Supplement industry is 100% unregulated? Are people really this dense? I'll say this once: MISLABELING IS OF PRODUCTS IS ILLEGAL. If you say your product has LongJack in it you better make damn sure that it is. Or you'll have the FDA/DEA light a fire under you. On topic: LongJack does indeed act as an aphrodisiac and it's more than just a placebo effect. It's also documented to help maintain cortisol levels in their normal range as well as slightly increasing testosterone.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 06:52:01 AM » |
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Why the hell does everyone think that the Supplement industry is 100% unregulated? Are people really this dense?
How do you not know the answer to this? BECAUSE SCOOBY SAYS SO.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 06:55:04 AM » |
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The FDA does not regulate these things, as they aren't technically Food or Drugs that fit under their Administration... so they couldn't "light a fire" under something that's out of their jurisdiction. If it doesn't have a full nutrition label, the FDA is not involved.
Investigative reports of all kinds of products (from frozen dinners to vitamins) consistently find products that fail to have what the package states. So be a sceptic, it's safer than assuming everyone is actually doing their job.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 07:54:36 AM » |
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The FDA does not regulate these things, as they aren't technically Food or Drugs that fit under their Administration... so they couldn't "light a fire" under something that's out of their jurisdiction. If it doesn't have a full nutrition label, the FDA is not involved.
Investigative reports of all kinds of products (from frozen dinners to vitamins) consistently find products that fail to have what the package states. So be a sceptic, it's safer than assuming everyone is actually doing their job.
Have you ever heard of the DEA?
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 08:48:10 AM » |
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You mean the Drug Enforcement Agency? They're way too busy dealing with all the narcotics in the US to have enough manpower to investigate every random supplement.
It's risky to trust that a government agency is doing its job perfectly (think the DMV and post office). Much safer to be a skeptic and look into things yourself. Don't believe an article unless it's published in a peer-reviewed legitimate journal (try searching pubmed.org).
You only get one body, be careful with it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 08:57:20 AM » |
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You mean the Drug Enforcement Agency? They're way too busy dealing with all the narcotics in the US to have enough manpower to investigate every random supplement.
It's risky to trust that a government agency is doing its job perfectly (think the DMV and post office). Much safer to be a skeptic and look into things yourself. Don't believe an article unless it's published in a peer-reviewed legitimate journal (try searching pubmed.org).
You only get one body, be careful with it.
You're missing the fact that the main thing the government wants is money. Supplements are not good for Big Pharma because they detract from their profits. The government does A LOT to remove dietary supplements from store shelfs; they're under more scrutiny than you realize. War on narcotics? What war? Marijuana is being legalized in several states. For what? For pharmaceutical purposes. It's all about money. Eventually you'll only be able to buy a tub of protein powder with a prescription from your doctor. Also, you don't have to tell me where to search for scientific data; I am well aware of my resources. At no point have I said not to be a skeptic, I encourage people on here to read information about various ingredients contained within a certain product in which they are interested in. I was simply pointing out that deeming the supplement industry "unregulated" is a fallacy, because it very much is, otherwise a large amount of prohormones would still be available as dietary supplements.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 09:07:40 AM » |
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Why the hell does everyone think that the Supplement industry is 100% unregulated? Are people really this dense?
How do you not know the answer to this? BECAUSE SCOOBY SAYS SO. Exactly what I was thinking 
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 11:36:32 AM » |
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Ok, I'll concede that calling it "unregulated" is an exaggeration. How about, "I don't trust the ways supplements are regulated, or that the agencies in charge of regulation to actually do their jobs; therefore I wouldn't feel comfortable using/recommending anything without seeing something in the New England Journal of Medicine showing it really works." Just seemed easier to answer the original post by advising to stay away from "unregulated" substances  By mentioning pubmed searches, I'm not saying you personally don't already know about where to find good info. I like to include general information so any random person reading it would know what I'm talking about. I can't expect every teen on this forum to know what I mean by a 'peer-reviewed journal' so in case a reader was curious I wanted to point them in the right direction. And as a bit of a tangent, just because something is illegal doesn't mean people have stopped doing it. Your example of the pathetic "war on drugs" is spot on. And you also touched on the inherent corruption in government agencies by mentioning the ties to corporate interests. That is exactly why I don't trust the agencies to be doing their jobs. I know they aren't acting on our behalf.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 11:48:51 AM » |
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Ok, I'll concede that calling it "unregulated" is an exaggeration. How about, "I don't trust the ways supplements are regulated, or that the agencies in charge of regulation to actually do their jobs; therefore I wouldn't feel comfortable using/recommending anything without seeing something in the New England Journal of Medicine showing it really works." Just seemed easier to answer the original post by advising to stay away from "unregulated" substances  By mentioning pubmed searches, I'm not saying you personally don't already know about where to find good info. I like to include general information so any random person reading it would know what I'm talking about. I can't expect every teen on this forum to know what I mean by a 'peer-reviewed journal' so in case a reader was curious I wanted to point them in the right direction. And as a bit of a tangent, just because something is illegal doesn't mean people have stopped doing it. Your example of the pathetic "war on drugs" is spot on. And you also touched on the inherent corruption in government agencies by mentioning the ties to corporate interests. That is exactly why I don't trust the agencies to be doing their jobs. I know they aren't acting on our behalf.PRECISELY. This is exactly why the supplement industry is such a big target. It can be guised as way to protect citizens from harmful substances (a very real concern), in doing so a lot of dietary supplements will fall under the category of "prescription only". These officials aren't stupid, nor do they have the best intentions. Anyway, if one were to search the effects of Eurycoma Longifolia (LongJack) one would find several studies which display both ergogenic and aphrodisiac effects in humans.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 07:35:44 PM » |
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So no-one has actually tried it on this forum? I'm 39 years old and healthy but just looking for a boost in my muscle gains. I guess there aren't any shortcuts... eat well and pump iron hard yes?
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 08:00:58 PM » |
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So no-one has actually tried it on this forum? I'm 39 years old and healthy but just looking for a boost in my muscle gains. I guess there aren't any shortcuts... eat well and pump iron hard yes?
Read my first post.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 08:35:21 PM » |
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Dude just train harder and eat enoght protein. If your gona take any supplement just take whey coz it works. Besides, why do you want to get big so quick? the longer you take to become stronger, the more you are going to apreciate all your work.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2010, 06:51:33 AM » |
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So no-one has actually tried it on this forum? I'm 39 years old and healthy but just looking for a boost in my muscle gains. I guess there aren't any shortcuts... eat well and pump iron hard yes?
Read my first post. Thanks mate.
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