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« on: September 07, 2010, 02:51:00 PM »

Hi, i kno there are a few threads abt NO and its effect, uses, and so on, but no in enough detail.

im thinking abt using it (jsut the Nitric Oxyde supplement, not the caffen ones) so i can gain an edge, so can someone tell me if its worth it, safety wise and results wise, also could someone tell me if its also safe to take the supplement alone??

i wanna buy this one since im short on cash:

http://www.meijer.com/s/body-fortress-super-nitric-oxide-pump-tablets-90-count/_/R-135938?cmpid=goobase&CAWELAID=383875832

or should i save a lil more money and buy this?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/xplode.html


thanks a bunches!
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    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 05:47:49 PM »

    body fortress is widely known as total crap. im not even going to click the link, and i can already tell you to not buy it. they use the cheapest ingredients, very poor manufacturing methods, and the fact that theyre products are the cheapest available at stores like walmart, target, extra and save-on-foods speaks for itself.
    and sorry to say, but noXplode is garbage as well. it has a lot of fillers that arent good for you at all (like maltodextrin..which is just there to make the serving size bigger, thus making the product cost more), and the list of active ingredients isnt anything impresive, especially for how much they charge for it. i tried it a couple times, and it gave me a racing hearbeat from all the caffeine and taurine, made me very jittery, and then i crashed hard afterwards. Stay away from it, its crap!
    the only pre workout sup ive tried and actually liked the effects of, with no side effects, and that contains no dangerous and pointless fillers, is USPLabs-Jack3d. It gives a good, clean, non jittery energy feeling, it helps you focus and get through your workout without becoming destracted, and it doesnt make you crash or feel weird after coming down off of it. Plus, its very cheap. a 45 serving tub from bodybuilding.com is about 25 bucks.

    all in all tho, id have to say stay away from pre workout sups.. theres not much in them that you cant get from taking a good quality B vitamin,  a glass of strong green tea or coffee, and a bowl of oats/slow digesting carbs before your workout.
    it gives you all the focus and energy, all the 'edge' you need, its cheaper, its definitely safer, and after having tried all three of the best selling pre workout sups at one time or another (xplode, sp250, and jack3d) id have to say that a good meal, a b vit, and a cup of tea works even better. so why opt for the supplement version??

    think of it this way: if you wanted a good protein rich meal that would fill you up and give you all you need to rebuild your muscles after a workout, and you had the option of choosing a baked sweet potato, with some garlic bread, a lean chicken breast, and some veggies.. or a scoop of whey, what would you choose? sometimes its easy to get caught up in the hype and ad-campaigns of supplements, and youre led to believe they work better than getting the same ingredients from good, whole foods. but if you can get the same thing from food.. the rule of thumb: go for the whole food version Wink!

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    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 06:07:22 PM »

    Disagree. Jack3d is poorly formulated just like most other NO supps on the market. It's caffeine, creatine and arginine. Arginine when supplemented does nothing to increase NO as your body has enough (I post this 2-5 times a day, but no one reads they just keep posting more topics about the same crap). So yes, Jack3d does have fillers, called Arginine. If you want an NO supp that works and also has caffeine like those you mentioned, try Presurge Unleashed.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 06:31:36 PM »

    thats fair. all i said is ive tried the three best sellers, and liked jack3d the best. but also, i said that i find a good b vit, a stong cup of tea, and a bowl of oats (usually with half a scoop of whey and a scoop of peanut butter) works even better.
    obviously i cant comment on presurge unleashed, as i havent tried it. just curious tho.. what does it have that 'works', or that makes u prefer it as a preworkout sup?

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    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 06:34:42 PM »

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    PreSurge Unleashed solution- We take a three angled approach at boosting NO

    GlycoCarn(gycine propionyl l-carnitine)
    At the core of our nitric oxide/vascularity blend is the patented form of L-carnitine, GlycoCarn™(gycine propionyl l-carnitine), which scientific studies suggest have been shown to increase NO. GlycoCarn is the FIRST ingredient shown to actually help increase nitric oxide synthesis.

    Epimedium- (standardized for 40% Icariin)
    PreSurge utilizes an extract of icariin from the herb epimedium. Icariin is the constituent of the epimedim that is largely believed to bring about the vascular effects. Icariin has been shown to help stimulate both short term production of nitric oxide(NO), as well as having longer term effects on endothelia nitric oxide synthase(eNOS), the enzyme needed to synthesize NO. The end result of these effects, is smooth muscle and blood vessels are relaxed, allowing them to increase their diameter, opening up the flood gates for greater blood flow, greater amount of nutrient delivery, feeding, PRIMING and encouraging your muscles for muscular growth.

    Antioxidant Blend
    While exercise in itself is a great way to increase NO output, it also increases free radicals. Free radicals actually reduce NO levels, decreasing vasodialation, which of course is not what we want to happen during exercise. To counteract these free-radicals, we have included a specific array of antioxidants, which have actually been shown in research to protect NO from being broken down and deactivated by free-radicals. These anti-oxidants include, Grape seed extract(95% OPC), alpha-lipoic-acid(ALA) and folic-acid. Interesting, both ALA and folic-acid have been shown in research to additionally enhance eNOS(the enzyme that synthesizes NO)
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    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 06:56:55 PM »

    Disagree. Jack3d is poorly formulated just like most other NO supps on the market. It's caffeine, creatine and arginine. Arginine when supplemented does nothing to increase NO as your body has enough (I post this 2-5 times a day, but no one reads they just keep posting more topics about the same crap). So yes, Jack3d does have fillers, called Arginine. If you want an NO supp that works and also has caffeine like those you mentioned, try Presurge Unleashed.

    And trust me, your getting the word out there! I was using jack3d before you educated me on the subject. I didn't believe you at first, but the studies prove it, so hey, can't argue that! Glad I didn't spend any more money on it, thanks Dread.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 01:14:25 PM »

    thanks guy for the great and discriptive answears, reason i wanted to take it was cuz i wasnt really looking for the energy wise edge but the pump and having my blood flow dialated to get more nutrients to the muscle, i knew there there was a lil crap there but thought it still would be decently good, thanks for the answears!
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