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« on: July 17, 2011, 11:01:03 PM »

I had noticed that T-Rex posted a few times about inline skating so I began to look into it. He's been kind enough to answer my beginner's questions through PMs but I thought it might be nice to open a thread.

This was my original PM:

Hey T-Rex. I saw you posted that in addition to sprints, you like inline skating. I'm thinking of getting into it.

If I'm not mistaken, you also mentioned somewhere that you're in your 50's? I'm 39 and will take this as proof that I'm not too old to start.

As a noob, where do you recommend I learn? I've read a couple of sites and have got a good basic understanding of safety and skate fit. I live in Israel but will buy them during my next visit to family in the States because it's much too expensive here. So I want to be ready to make the right decisions.

If you can point the way, I'd be much obliged.
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T-Rex wrote back, saying he started in his 30s and later earned IISA Teaching Certification. He recommends K2 skates with 90 or 100mm wheels. Helmet and wrist guard, at minimum, for safety.

I'll let him post what he wishes here.

I'm wondering what experienced skaters have to say about elbow and knee guards and crash pads.

Just anything you've got to say about inline skating...I'm interested.

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 11:59:16 PM »

well altough i might not be the one to ask Tongue
i'm pretty good at aggressive inline skating.
what that is basically, well it consists of tricks like jumps, grinds, and so on. it requires a certain tipe of skates.
3 mayor ones to mention: (there are a lot more variations then these)

Aggressive-tipe skates:  ( notice the groove in the middle.. meant for grinding , aka jumping on surfaces and sliding on an edge/pipe anything you can fit it in.)

Fitness-tipe  skates: (unlike the other this one has a little "break" in the back so you can slow down without any fancy footwork, heavier then the aggressives)

Speed-tipe skates: (very large wheels, there are models with a full boot that hold your foot better, but a lot them are like this)


there are also hockey-tipe skates, sth in between speed and fitness, models with 4 wheels, speed models with 5 wheels, we have aggressive models that have a 2 wheel & anti-rocker setup, or simple 2 wheel with a v shaped frame ( mook frames ftw!) and so on.


for a beginner i think its good to start with fitness skates.. of course i'm oriented to the opposite side then T-rex apparently Tongue
and i only rode with speed skates like 3-4 times in my life.
the bigger wheels make for much quicker trip, for some people i know it got a bit harry with the turns.

aggressives have a solid core wheel 60 mm or below in size , and they have a flat profile to offer better grip, room and to get you closer to the ground for more control, but they sacrifice speed (which of course an aggressive skater doesn't even need)
you can turn on a dime with them but if your planing on going for long "runs" then aggressives will be hard to deal with.

speed wheels are generally 90mm and above (some models have under 90) and as the name suggest they are SPEED!  but not so easy to control
the profile is narrow and elliptical so a "sharp edge" so it also has less friction

fitness and hockey wheels are in between.. generally in the 70-80 zone,  with the elliptical shape, they offer a good mix of speed and control.



fitness skates are a good general all rounder and i think they are one of the best choices to start out with.
but i've had people start with aggressives, and they worked out well, but the price tag on those is significantly higher then the fitness skates, and are a lot harder to find ( can't even buy'em in my country)
and fitness skates will be readily available, better suited for the city then speed skates. and better suited for a good few hours of skating (when you're actually going somewhere!) then aggressives

besides wheel profiles you have the durometer, which basically is the hardness of the wheel
 this image can explain how that works:


that really doesn't affect you much, if you have smooth roads ahead of you then a harder wheel is ok, if its a bit bumpy then with a harder one it can get a little annoying ( also the smaller the wheels the worse that gets Tongue )

really this doesn't matter for a recreational skater. it will only make a very slight difference. but i thought i'd mention it anyway.

now there's also the bearings that are in the wheels .. you will hear ABEC -  now that is just a rating of the bearings the higher the rating the more precise the bearing and the "smoother".
now that doesn't mean that you go out and get the highest one you can find .. like ABEC9 or above.
ABEC1 is the lowest.. the " crappy" kind they resist a long while but they aren't very smooth or fast but they are CHEAP!
actually the ABEC rating is more about precision and smoothness then speed... and even more about PRICE TAG..

and the system WAS NOT designed with inline skating in mind. but for machines that need to be very precise.
and for a recreational skater (or even a semi-pro) the difference between ABEC 5 to ABEC 7 isn't important at all.

most skates you come-by will have from 3 to 7 .. speed skates go up to 9 and some over.

what i'm actually getting at is that if you see a skate that has ABEC10 labelled on it and they say well its the best quality and ask for 100$ more for it then the ABEC 7 then better off going for the abec 7 instead.


i agree that K2 skates are good, there are some good 80mm wheeled fitness models with K2 .. i used 3 skates from K2 one of them fitness the other two aggressive, and didn't have any problems with them, and their price is very good compared to some other equal quality skates .. My opinion is their good starter skates.


NOW
in terms of protection, i was never a fan of any guards, especially the knee guards because they really annoyed me, couldn't find a helmet O_o , but i liket the wrist/hand guards , the elbow guards i didn't take..
but hey i was skating since i was like 5-6 years old. Got my first inline skate at age 8, but got my first set of guards at around age 10  xD

one thing is to check them out before you buy and make sure their not uncomfortable, especially knee guards, i have found them to be very unpleasant if they are to tight or made in a weird fashion that cuts into the back of your knee , it needs to be comfortable if your going on those longer runs.
it shouldn't be very tight, walk around (or better skate around a bit) and see if it bothers you.

ohh and i'll just mention this, when buying skates, try'em out ad move around in them a bit, some skates are just designed WRONG, and have parts that will screw up your foot after a few hours,
i had a pair of fitness skates that made my feet bleed and i couldn't walk properly because some idiot decided to put a little metal rivet right at the ankle.
if you feel it pushes in on a spot anywhere on your feet then better off looking at alternatives.
also i got asked a few times if someone should buy their shoe size .. or a bit bigger.. well that really depends on the company and the model and the shape of your foot xD
if its to big then your foot can move around, you have to tighten it more then normal, and that can cause pressure points sometimes that might hurt your foot.
but if they are an exact tight fit that can also cause problems (although most skates i used have good room for your toes..)

K2 as i noticed generally have a good fit and hold your feet well, and all 3 K2's i had were slightly larger sizes then my shoe size and thats how they felt comfortable for me and didn't have many problems with them.
my current Xsjado skates go around this problem completely by having a footwrap (shoe) and its damn stylish if i may say so.



The good thing about these is that you can use any shoe you want, just step in the boot and you're off. my favorite skate of all time.

ok i'm already going off topic, and i wrote WAAY too much.
sorry for the block'o'text  but i hope it was of some use to you.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 01:14:06 AM »

Seems like 80+ fitness may be up my alley. I'm just looking to have fun safely. Really appreciate all the great info.

Going into a store and trying them is a given for a beginner?

I realize this is a different game in many ways but I remember loving rollerskating when I was a kid. It was so much fun.

I'm excited about this but remain just a bit wary because of the risk of injuries. I don't bike much precisely because of this. The thrill of a motorcycle sometimes captures my imagination but I'm not stupid.

edit: No, I really appreciate all the info. It is a LOT though. Those Xsjado seem really convenient.

I will have to find a store in Israel that sells these...
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 01:22:29 AM »

i can say , i do a LOT of crazy stuff on my skates, and have yet to have any serious injury.. apparently its one of the most dangerous things i do xD

i have had a couple of bails and falls , but hey i doubt you'll be trying to do a 360' off a ramp, or jump up on a guide rail down a flight of stairs xD

when i was with fitness skates, i barely if ever fell, and even then it was nothing just maybe a scratch or two.
if you have your guards on then nothing bad will happen. i mean you won't be going downhill at 100km/s and fall neck first in the concrete. Smiley
the head knee and elbow guards will do their job for sure Cheesy.

believe me it sounds and looks a lot more scary then it actually is.

you know if you don't try something just because it can go wrong, then you won't do anything fun Tongue ever .
yes you can get hurt , you can get hurt bad .. but you can get just as badly hurt when painting your house, when walking the streets, and so on.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 02:08:04 AM »

Yeah, it seems like the risks are minimal and they are mostly the result of choices.

I've been watching videos on Youtube.

So excited about this. Can't believe I never thought of it. Oh yeah, until @ 10 years ago, I was pretty much out of shape. Amazing how when you treat your body right, there's so much more you can do.

Here's a funny video:

How To Be Incredible At Rollerblading



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    « Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 08:47:46 PM »

    ZeNoNN Great Post.

    I think 80mm will work for you.  K2’s require Zero Break-In.  Years back I was sponsored by K2.  I received many pair of K2 skates to test that were not my style.  But they were Always Very Comfortable.

    When I was certified by the IISA (IISA.org), I focused on Freestyle and Hockey skating and dabbled at the ½ Pipe for fun.  Unlike XenoNN I did not do any Aggressive Skating.

    I prefer my Hockey Skates w/80mm wheels for most of my Skating.  I have 2 pair of “Tour Beemer’s" one pair with indoor wheels (Super Grippy) and one with outdoor wheels.  


    Some days I skate indoors.  Indoor skating help me pass the IISA testing and became equally proficient Forwards, Backwards, Crossovers, Hockey Stops and Power Stops.  All of the above were manditory to Pass. Plus it's cool to fly around the corners like Apolo Ohno with one hand touching the floor.

    My K2 Radical 100’s are for flying thru town.


    They are great for the San Francisco “Friday Night Skate”.  The terrain is very diverse and we go out for 12+ miles.
    San Francisco Friday Night Skaters - documentary - 1992

    In the summers the group swells to close to 1000 skaters.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 02:52:02 PM »

    I use inlines for hockey...great way to get in shape! If you have never done it before you will be sore all over!
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    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 05:57:41 PM »

    I use inlines for hockey...great way to get in shape! If you have never done it before you will be sore all over!

    Ditto that ^^^^!

    I remember the first time I played Hockey I pulled a groin muscle.



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    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 06:36:39 AM »

    I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on these. Basic, for beginners, inexpensive, comfortable. Thoughts?
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    « Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 09:13:45 PM »

    Looks like a good entry skate.

    Hyper wheels are good wheels.

    Being able to upgrade to accommodate 80-millimeter wheels wheels is a cool feature.

    After you get them let us know and I will let you know how to speed up your bearings to ludicrous speed!

    And remember:  Your Dad always told you to wear Protection!















    Helmet, Wrist Guards, Knee and Elbow Pads!


     
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    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 10:24:54 PM »

    I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a pair of skates because I'll be in the States early October.

    Although those Rollerblade Spiritblade Xt skates that I linked to would most likely be great for me as beginning skates, I'm thinking that I want to get a pair that I won't get frustrated with after a few months. And, to be fair, they're not the nicest looking skates I've seen.

    I'm comparing the K2 Mach 90 with the K2 Moto 84. As a beginner, will I be able to handle the Mach 90? Seems like the answer is yes to the Moto 84. My goal is to skate for fitness. I *believe* that I'll rapidly want to go faster and faster.

    Thoughts on these two skates?
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    « Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 01:22:32 AM »

    After reading a lot more, the Moto 84 seems perfect. Not overreaching for me. I think the 90 could frustrate me.

    The only issue is that the wheels, at 80A, may not last too long. Even though it will be a pain to later get wheels shipped to me, is it better to wait to see how they fare/what hardness with which I'll know to replace them?

    I plan to learn on a smooth blacktop but will later be skating over rougher asphalt and even brickwork. I guess the softer wheel will absorb a lot of the bumps but will wear out quicker. How many miles can you get with 80A wheels on rough surfaces?
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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2011, 08:24:47 PM »

    After reading a lot more, the Moto 84 seems perfect. Not overreaching for me. I think the 90 could frustrate me.

    The only issue is that the wheels, at 80A, may not last too long. Even though it will be a pain to later get wheels shipped to me, is it better to wait to see how they fare/what hardness with which I'll know to replace them?

    I plan to learn on a smooth blacktop but will later be skating over rougher asphalt and even brickwork. I guess the softer wheel will absorb a lot of the bumps but will wear out quicker. How many miles can you get with 80A wheels on rough surfaces?


    Jordan,

    80A's will be perfect for Outdoor skating.  Remember the Harder Wheels More the Vibration and Less Grip.

    XeNoNN is most likely running 90A +  I run 74a Indoors and 80a’s Outdoors. 
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    « Reply #13 on: September 03, 2011, 09:12:14 AM »

    Good to know. Thanks.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 03, 2011, 09:23:29 AM »

    I've bought myself some K2's with 84mm wheels for 50% off and they fit really well - I'm very happy with the product. Also inspired by T-Rex and his amazing legs BTW  Grin
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