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« on: September 01, 2010, 10:04:29 PM »

Hallo,

about 6 months ago I started to do karate. My current plan is as follows (described one week):

- 3x karate (90 minutes per unit)
- 3x weight-lifting
- 2x running (running in the morning and lifting in the evening when I'm doing my upper body workouts)
- 1 day off

When I started karate I was running 5x/week but eventually I got knee problems and had to stop doing it so often. Since I'd like to do karate more often but don't want to stop doing weights I wonder if it would be overtraining when I'm doing weights in the morning and karate in the evening while still running 2x/week. Is there any difference between doing strength training and hypertrophy in this (so the one is ok but the other not)? Of course I would have to watch my knee but assumed there is nothing bad with it: Is there anything about such a routine?

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 10:56:35 PM »

I'm speaking very generally here, but usually cardio wont attribute too much to overtraining in hypertrophy/strength training. If you don't feel exhausted, then go for it and do more Karate. What you want to avoid is working out the same muscle too much in a row, or too many times per week. So if you're not lifting weights when doing Karate, you're probably fine. Cardio only really attributes to overtraining when you're doing marathon style cardio and doing it for hours on end. If you start feeling symptoms of overtraining though, then stop and evaluate your routine to make changes accordingly. Evilcyber has a video on the symptoms of overtraining if you haven't seen it yet.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 03:20:30 AM »

Do you feel your body is getting enough rest? And how are your Karate class and workout spread over the week?

The problem is if your body gets enough rest to be able to rest and rebuild itself after a full week. How do you feel after your day off, do you feel rested and ready for a new week of working out?
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 08:25:15 AM »

With my current I feel pretty rested when my fitness week starts.
Karate class would be on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday where I can choose freely whether to attend to or not. I guess I'll start trying to do weights in the morning and karate in the evening for one day in my week and look how it feels and watch the signs pointed out in the video.

But since here are some advanced martial artists I'd like to know how you handle doing your martial arts and weights and getting away without overtraining?
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 09:16:05 AM »

But since here are some advanced martial artists I'd like to know how you handle doing your martial arts and weights and getting away without overtraining?
Well, all of us who combine martial arts with weights, have basically found a way of balancing both, wich is what you need to do. And it is doable without overtraining. But we are all different, what works for me might not be viable for you.
Now, my weeks are not always the same, depends on my work schedule(I work nights) wich means some weeks have a different layout than others.

This is the weekplan I used when I first joined this forum. Its tweaked more now, as I don´t do full body workouts anymore etc. Gives you a basic idea. I used full body workouts as they fitted perfectly with my week, didn´t really feel dead inside until friday Cheesy
Mon:
Aikido+weights

Tue:
Judo+cardio, solid state or Tabata

wed:
Weights

Thurs:
Judo

Fri:
Judo+ weights+solid state cardio if I had the energy.

Sat:
day off, except a long walk with the dogs.

Sun:
Cardio, solid state followed By Tabata. then rest Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 01:53:49 AM »

Okay, thank you. I'll just try lifting in the morning and karate in the evening and see how I feel then.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 09:25:42 AM »

I've got a new question. I'm doing weight training for about one year now and I've never done a strength-based routine. So today I've read dodo's article about strength development (http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/basics-of-pure-strength-development-17059/) and now there is a question. My karate training does not bring me to exhaustion so I've never considered it a problem when done on non-lifting days. Now he talks about your CNS, motor skill development and that you should take your rest to let your CNS recover even when you didn't damage your muscles.

So I ask myself if technical training like martial arts training - even when not done near exhaustion - is taxing on your CNS and reduces its recovery since you are learning new movements patterns in this training. I have no biological understanding of CNS and what is to know about so maybe I'm wrong. But that's the impression I got from the article.

So is there any impact on your CNS when you are doing martial arts training?
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