goldmoor
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« on: September 25, 2011, 07:33:51 AM » |
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What is a good exercise to build power and speed in my punches and my kicks
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 09:00:03 AM » |
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Training, training and more training. Perfect techniques, and the power and speed will come 
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“The ultimate aim of martial arts is not having to use them” Miyamoto Musashi 
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 09:56:57 AM » |
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agreed with magnus... my form on the roundhouse has gone bad, and even if i do it fast theres no point.... i need to go back to square one :/
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 10:33:18 AM » |
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Yes, I agree with Magnus too, but you can also try plyometrics, it helped me a lot with my kicking speed and power. Good Luck
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 10:58:46 AM » |
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thanks you for your support i was think lifting might help to but getting stronger wont matter if you dont know how to use it proper god bless
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 11:06:05 AM » |
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To build strength and power, add resistance.
You can use wrist and ankle weights whilst practicing punches and kicks to the heavy bag, or punch whilst holding small hand weights.
Boxers make use of heavy training gloves.
Back in my karate days, we used a pair of Tetsu Geta -heavy ceramic sandals. You wear them when practicing kicks.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2011, 11:48:42 AM » |
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No, dont strike etc with ankle weights, dumbells etc, its dangerous to your joints. Tetsu Geta are infamous for wearing out the knees, and particulary hips. They are still used to some extent, but using them as striking resistance is mostly gone. Now its mostly used for leg raises etc.
The best and fundamental way to add strength and power in striking, is to actually train it. Dont matter how much strength you have if you dont have the technique to use it properly.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 11:58:52 AM » |
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yeah, ill expand on what magnus said if i can.
Basically in striking sports its not really the strength that matters, but more in the speed that you can do it. Speed is pretty much everything, ofcourse strength still plays a role but its taken care of if you can get the technique correct AND have speed... Most either have the technique but not the speed (better i guess), or the speed but not technique (worse as imo technique is everything)
So what i say is, dont bother buying stuff like ankle weights. Pick one kick. For example round house.... Start of slowly, make sure its absolutely perfect, if you fall off balance then start again, keep doing it slow, and do that about 50 times per leg, more if you feel you still havnt gotten the jist of it. Once you get that, you can keep increasing speed, as soon as technique goes sloppy slow down....
I went too fast and my technique was absolutely horrible in kicks such as round kick and i really regret it because now my mind is used to using that shitty technique -_-. Bad luck to me. Its not that its really bad, but its not perfect, and theres little power and that annoys me, even if i do go fast.
Also another tip i can give you for kicks especially is when you kick with, say your back leg, bounce up. I find this really usefull, not only does it increase the speed but it gives it more power. Also make sure you thrust your hip in the direction needed.
So for example the front kick. Imagine you want to kick with the back leg. you bounce up with your calf mucle a little bit, then chamber, when kicking thrust hips forward and kick.
Anyways all im saying is speed without technique is like trying to run without legs.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 12:01:35 PM » |
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I defer to Magnus' wisdom in this matter. Those bloody sandals hurt!
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 07:05:07 PM » |
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Forearms and your waist because you have to twist in your punches
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 04:03:48 AM » |
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Wait, wait, wait, no training punches and kicks with weights...? I'm asking because it's a pretty fundamental part of my training.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 06:19:05 AM » |
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Its dangerous for your joint. Say you throw a punch,straight punch for simplicity sake, with a light dumbell. First off, it does nothing to add power to the punch as the resistance is wrong(you are fighting gravity, not direct resistance). Want to add resistance, use rubber/resistance bands designed for it. Also striking with weights can mess up the technique itself. Off target striking(with weight you are using force to keep it center target), and if the brain gets to used to added weight, when you have to go without the weights you might actually lose speed and power.
Now, as your arm extend, the force will be transferred to what you are hitting. If you are punching air, to begin with you cant go all out, as the power has nowhere to go and the joint takes the brunt of the punch(try it and you feel it), one of the reasons many tkd practicioners get joint issues, alot of shadowkicking etc with force. Now add even a light weight to that punch. In addition to the force generated by the arm itself, you will now have the added weight increase the outward force. Now think about the joint that actually have to support that force.
This can lead to stress injuries of the joints, and that will really mess you up.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2011, 06:35:30 AM » |
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Its dangerous for your joint. Say you throw a punch,straight punch for simplicity sake, with a light dumbell. First off, it does nothing to add power to the punch as the resistance is wrong(you are fighting gravity, not direct resistance). Want to add resistance, use rubber/resistance bands designed for it. Also striking with weights can mess up the technique itself. Off target striking(with weight you are using force to keep it center target), and if the brain gets to used to added weight, when you have to go without the weights you might actually lose speed and power.
Now, as your arm extend, the force will be transferred to what you are hitting. If you are punching air, to begin with you cant go all out, as the power has nowhere to go and the joint takes the brunt of the punch(try it and you feel it), one of the reasons many tkd practicioners get joint issues, alot of shadowkicking etc with force. Now add even a light weight to that punch. In addition to the force generated by the arm itself, you will now have the added weight increase the outward force. Now think about the joint that actually have to support that force.
This can lead to stress injuries of the joints, and that will really mess you up.
How about if the form is slow and deliberate? I find that I'm not really going all out when doing this, so I think that eliminates the joint problems... But doesn't this really strengthen punches (if not, a bit)? I mean, uhm, it's harder and all, so I assume it makes me stronger? If not strength, then at least endurance, I think. My logic is that once you get used to punching with an added weight for 5 minutes, punching five minutes weightless would be a breeze.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 06:58:06 AM » |
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wait magnus you say that going all out on a kick or punch with weightless is bad for joints. So how do i train the speeds of my kick and power of kicks with no pads or bags or anything?
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2011, 07:28:56 AM » |
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I mean, uhm, it's harder and all, so I assume it makes me stronger? If not strength, then at least endurance, I think. My logic is that once you get used to punching with an added weight for 5 minutes, punching five minutes weightless would be a breeze. This is hard to explain..Ok, when you punch, a certain amount of musclefibers in your arms are used. Now, with the added weight, you will now active more of them, wich are usually not used in a punch. Now, as this becomes the usual way of punching, when you dont use weight your body will still activate the fibers you used with weights, slowing you down. This have even been studied(in sports science program last), showing that those who train with weighted bats for instance actually get slower, but the reduced weight makes you feel it goes faster. If you want to strengthen punches, get some bands, punch water etc. To increase power of punches with resistance, you need opposite resistance(as in opposite to the punch). Added weight drags your hands down, wich is not the natural resistance for a punch. Want to add weight and conditioning, buy a heavy bag and workout boxing gloves(slightly heavier), but still shouldnt be main form of technique training. wait magnus you say that going all out on a kick or punch with weightless is bad for joints. So how do i train the speeds of my kick and power of kicks with no pads or bags or anything? You dont go all out, you train technique. Look at boxers who focus so much on shadowboxing, they dont go full force, thats not the point. I doubt your trainer tells you to kick max power during repetitions  But the optimal is a target, no doubt about that.
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