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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2012, 05:44:31 AM »

I feel the same, pomsae,katas and other similar patterns are for training techniques, showing combinations and so on, and I consider them important..BUT, to learn to use them in actual combat, you need sparring. Feel of adrenaline, feeling of getting hit or feeling of hitting someone, aswell as the ability to react to another human beings actions, are things katas will not teach you.
But would never dismiss katas etc, they are as big as part of styles as anything.

I still practice the pomsae once in awhile(koreo being my favourite), and my goal is always to get better than the last time, always improve. In pomsae you see alot of moves most never learn in TKD(after sports style took over),throat attacks,eye attacks,knees/elbows and so on.. Have been puzzled when I talk to black belts who have no clue what the techniques in a pomsae is actually used for, that clearly shows the shortcoming of their training.

And a beautifully performed pomsae/kata is awesome to watch Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2012, 10:28:56 AM »

Different martial arts might really have different definitions of katas. That "pomsae" mostly looks just series of hits, it looks like the idea of that kata is to condition oneself. When compared to our Bujinkan katas, all of our katas are performed against an opponent/s. Strange that even in Capoeira we do "katas" or more like just series of certain motions which katas technically are, these are done both either alone or with an playmate. I believe fundamental reason of katas is to teach the certain techniques, certain ways of moving, certain ways to act or something and "pack" it to the kata so it is easy to exchange with other practicers which might come far away. With katas it is just easy to write the sequences down and then let the others perform it the way they ought to perform it.

In Capoeira our instructor has learned the series of motions("katas") from other parts of Finland and also from Brazilian teachers. When they are written down and experienced the correct way, he can then teach them forward to us. In Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu we have a wide traditional variety of different techniques which have only survived the last hundreds of years because someone has made the series of techniques and motions into katas which most of them have travelled untouched to the present days. The katas don't really work in combat ALONE but when you add, or cut down some parts, or just pick the essential technique from the kata, they become very useful.
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2012, 11:16:36 AM »

Well, what you describe with
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all of our katas are performed against an opponent/s
sounds alot like the "step sparring" we employ(korean name escapes me at the moment), technically you can call these poomsae/katas aswell. Set routines you employ vs a partner.
Like this demo by my grandmaster, still consider him that even after I left tkd:
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The concept of poomsae is,well,hard to explain. Yes, its a collection of techniques and you practice skill,transitions etc. But its also a form of shadow fighting. You dont just perform the movements, you are meant to visualize an opponent with every strike, every movement is offensive/defensive. Its also a way of incorporating techniques you rarely get to practice, by imagining an opponent.
To have a good poomsae you must understand it, understand the movements and principles behind it Smiley Not only a philosophical pattern, for example, notice that the techniques in a poomsae does not really fit with what people consider tkd fighting. In a pomsae it takes the practical path, kick the kne,attack the groin,attack the throat etc.

Have to add though, that people who practice poomsae for demos often(in my opinion)lack something, its basically going through the motions..And you can actually get failed by masters(usually korean ones, they are extremely strict on form) for lacking emotion when performing it.
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