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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2010, 03:12:33 AM » |
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thanks mate this will help me quit alot  Happy to help. 
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2010, 06:33:22 AM » |
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About 3 months ago I read an extremely in depth stretching article online. It consists of 68 pages and really goes much more in depth than you do in PNF stretching and would likely give you and others here more help on the subject. The article also discusses how to properly warm up, different types of stretches, and even gives a split training routine. The article can be viewed here freely: http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/stretching.pdfOne thing Brad Appleton mentions that I think you should all be taking note of is what he says in the beginning of Chapter 3 on page 24; "PNF stretching is also not recommended for children and people whose bones are still growing." This adds to what Uglok was speaking of earlier about how ballerinas destroy their bodies early on. Another thing I noticed is that you said no more than 2 sets per day which according to Brad; is still too much. "PNF stretching is very strenuous and should be performed for a given muscle group no more than once per day (ideally, no more than once per 36 hour period)." There are many more things I could point out, but I'm sure that you will read the article as I can guarantee you it will shed more light onto this subject for you. If you don't want to read about the other stretches simply go to the find area and type "PNF" and then click the little page button that points to the right. This will allow you to skip to each area throughout the paper in which PNF stretching is discussed. I highly recommend you and everyone else reads this article. I personally, developed a stretching routine according to many of the things Brad says. Have a great day! -Devin
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2010, 08:31:21 PM » |
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2010, 09:15:50 PM » |
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Didn't you have an award at one point, Ruben?
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2010, 03:42:02 AM » |
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I don't know about everyone else, but for me I increase my flexibility only on days when I don't lift weights/cardio.
You should stretch after strength training I think (not 100% sure).
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2010, 04:54:29 AM » |
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You should stretch after strength training I think (not 100% sure).
Correct. Doing static stretching before a workout has been shown to actually cause injury and make you weaker.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2010, 07:05:58 AM » |
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Didn't you have an award at one point, Ruben?
Yes, I had. You should stretch after strength training I think (not 100% sure).
Correct. Doing static stretching before a workout has been shown to actually cause injury and make you weaker. True, doesn't necesarely cause injury, but highers the chance for it. I don't know about everyone else, but for me I increase my flexibility only on days when I don't lift weights/cardio.
You should stretch after strength training I think (not 100% sure). Strength training or cardio training or both, so you're body is warmed up properly. @Devin: Will read the article and see whether it changes my mind, thanks for sharin. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 10:36:44 PM » |
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I so need to start stretching again. Did it for about half a year with some results. Then for one reason or another I just stopped.
Being as loose as a barn isn't really all that enjoyable.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2010, 05:13:14 PM » |
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I was emotionally ran out of this forum  . No sportsmanship from these "so called good people". Right, Moderator/Scooby/Evil?
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2010, 10:44:06 AM » |
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I too have long legs for my height. The trick with any static stretch is to have full motion of each joint that that muscle controls against the direction that muscle would pull it. I.E. if stretching your bicep, you would need your elbow as straight as possible. For the hamstrings, two joints are controlled - the knee and tilt of the pelvis. So you will need to extend your leg (lockout knee) and then control the stretch from your pelvic tilt. Take your first image and if that woman had a straight back (stretch is solely on the hamstrings, not on the ligaments/muscles of back also like they are there), and then tilted forwards using her pelvis instead of her waist, the hamstring would be the muscle stretched. Wrote something about this specifically a while back, may be worth a look: http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/the-back-hamstrings-and-posterior-chain/
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2010, 12:55:15 PM » |
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So what's the recommended PNF-stretch for hamstrings? Not only because that's where I want to improve, but that's probably where most peoples flexibility is worst. Not to mention where it's the most important (lower risk of back injuries, get rid of buttwink in squats, bent-over-rows, etc) genetics on this forum seems to be an excuse for not pushisg yourself to be the best you can be..
So that's why this article I wrote got put in Excellent postings-section? http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/the-unimportance-of-genetics-33091/  About 3 months ago I read an extremely in depth stretching article online. It consists of 68 pages and really goes much more in depth than you do in PNF stretching and would likely give you and others here more help on the subject. Bookmarked the link, gonna try to find the time to read this, as I really want to improve my hamstring flexibility ^^
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 01:48:27 PM » |
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"PNF stretching is also not recommended for children and people whose bones are still growing." I don´t exactly aggree with this if they have a good trainer. Grew up with similar stretching in TKD, noone ever got later problems because of it, but like I said trainer is important. On the contrary, I had alot of growing pains, and stretching helped with those. Its a great article, everyone should read it  And also sconter, the genetic thing is not something confined to this board, thats used everywhere. "I can´t lose weight, bad genes" and so on. Blaming this board is ridiculous 
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 04:38:16 AM » |
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So what's the recommended PNF-stretch for hamstrings? Not only because that's where I want to improve, but that's probably where most peoples flexibility is worst. Not to mention where it's the most important (lower risk of back injuries, get rid of buttwink in squats, bent-over-rows, etc)
I would recommend a lunge with a greatly extended front leg (front knee angle greater than 130 degrees), not worrying too much about straightening of the back leg, and ensuring a tilt forwards of the pelvis such that you can feel the stretch. The contract part, you literally pull backwards using your hamstrings on the the front leg (trying to bend your knee) and squeeze forwards using the whole of your rear leg (driving that foot into the ground).
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