erica
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« on: March 12, 2011, 02:02:20 PM » |
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Hey everyone! I know it might sound weired but i m gettin heavyer and getting visible muscles instead loosing the fat first! not that i m unhappy at all but it is realy frustraiting for a woman if you dieting and working out so hard and not looking slimmer! and getting heavyer instead. i really loose motivation. i missed my short term goal of loosing 7 kg till april ( started january) badly didnt loose a gram!!! the other thing is that i feel the need of a good workout plan but i need help with details. somebody out there who would like to help? and has knowlege and time? i m realy fed up with theese standart answers like: do cardio! train abs! i want different areas of my body look a different way so maybe i dont want visible abs!(just example i realy realy want them  ) so why should i train them more? please answer and tell me what you think thanxx |
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2011, 03:26:09 PM » |
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It sounds like you need to look closer at your nutrition. You can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, but you have to be very careful about what your total calorie intake is. Here are a couple links that may help you with nutrition: ---> Nutrition ---> Fat loss calculatorAnd here's are a selection of workouts, I'm sure you can find one that works for you: ---> 21 Workout Routines |
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erica
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2011, 11:48:10 AM » |
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Hey! i really hoped 4 a few more answers! but i recognised that my thread looks pretty "normal". what i meant was that i m training AND dieting in an other question i already told that i m eating under my tdee ( more than a month!) now i m eating almost what i should so here my question again: why dont i loose fat first and gain than muscel??? i can see muscle under all that fat and it makes me unhappy because i m afraid i could look more massive than i already am. to the workout: it realy is a very nice article no question! but it is no routin 4 me! i dont want to train my chest 4 example! also not interested biceps! i want to train planks but not abs, squats but no hamstrings, no lat but back!!! please, anybody   |
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2011, 11:57:49 AM » |
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 01:16:59 PM » |
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^^ Zuzanna has some great HIIT workouts, and as you can see she gets results from them. Don't forget that BMR and TDEE are estimates, your number may be higher or lower. If you are strict about eating the TDEE and then lifting and doing cardio, you will see the BF% drop. Your total weight might not though, as you gain muscle and lose fat it might remain the same. You really want to stay at the TDEE to make sure you get enough nutrients so your body doesn't go into starvation mode. But your number might be slightly below the estimated value as well.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 01:36:22 PM » |
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i don't think it's possible to train back without training your lats, as the vast majority of your back are your lats.
if you want to lose fat, then you're going to have to eat below your TDEE. about looking more massive, there's nothing you can do about it. you can choose either to maintain your current body fat level. if you lose the fat, you will appear more muscular, but you won't be "bigger" because you'll have less fat. your muscles will be visible, but you won't actually be bigger. you can't reduce your muscle size if they're like that naturally, so you can only choose to either lose fat or not.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 01:47:39 PM » |
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It's hard to say this without being impolite, but to very frank, it is most probably just your imagination. Gaining muscle mass is a very, very slow process, especially for women (due to much lower testosterone levels). It is more likely that you haven't lost any weight because you didn't create a large enough calorie deficit. It's possible that your muscles feel / appear bigger after a workout because they are "pumped up" for some time.
I've heard from other women that they gain muscle mass at an incredibly fast rate - but it's just a myth (unless they take steroids). I apologize if you feel offended by my post, I just wanted to tell you what I think is the truth.
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erica
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2011, 11:39:36 AM » |
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Hey ! first of all thanks 4 reading and answering! but to make some things clear: @michaelzwarszawy: to be honest i am training lats ( useing the "pull up machine" at gym)  ! i tried to imply that the most standart routines are training muscels i dont want to train ( because i want some visible muscle and some just healthy and thight). by looking more massive i meant that if the muscles keep growing ( they are!!!) and the fat keeps remaining ( it is  ) i will look more massive. i choose to loose fat but it doesnt work so thats why i try to find the right answer .makes it sense now? @breunor: my is not just remaining i got heavier!! i lost approx. 3 kg and gained 2 after ( have to check my notes to be precise) @wolfcastler: no you are not impolite dont worry! i already had a threat "caloric deficite possible?" but no answer with solution! or a clue. if it comes to muscle mass you have to define "mass" first.  my body is responding unbeliveable fast probably because i i were not useing those muscles till now at all. from holding myself on that pull up bar i got muscles on my forearm and the vanes on my wrist came out so that you can see em.the funny thing is that its always the assistend muscel you can see. |
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2011, 11:48:12 AM » |
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Well, remember those 2 things our 50 year old/body builder/hat wearing scooby says:
1.- Progress shouldnt be seen on the scale. Use the mirror.
2.- Eat less, do more cardio.
I would advice you to keep your weight program, watch your results on the mirror and do more cardio.
Best cardio I know:
Swimming
Box Jump Rope (hiit)
Running
Bicycle
Ropes (heavy ropes)
Spinning (hiit)
Sprinting (hiit)
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2011, 11:54:29 AM » |
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In men's bodybuilding we don't have all those fancy terms There is just muscle mass and fat. If you gain muscle mass, you become more massive, if you lose fat, you become more defined. No more, no less. You can gain muscle mass and you can lose fat. Period. "Shaping" or "toning" of muscles are just myths. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2011, 12:32:44 PM » |
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@ muawe: thanxx a lot 4 that answer. sometimes its not who or what you say; its the way!! yes the mirror is better than the scale because it says i m not doing bad. i think the cardio is not bad(80-90 min 5 daw) but i obviously should eat less!! @wolfcastler:maybe but i m a girl and im not a bodybuilder ( not the way you would describe) :)but i m trying to change my fisique; less fat some visible muscle here and there. yes i see a bit fancy maybe |
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2011, 12:56:03 PM » |
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I just thought this might be useful for you to know . It applies for everybody. There is a lot of bad information out there. I'm sure you are in much better shape than me when I started out - I really was quite overweight! |
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erica
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 01:39:17 PM » |
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to everybody! it just came into my mind; what if i m looking at all this from the wrong side? i mean i was wondering because i can see some muscles and the fat remains that made me thinking i m doing wrong! and i feel bad because im not loosing weight. does it make sense when you can see the muscles because i did loose fat but not everywhere on the same amount. like, i lost a few grams on my shoulder so you see the muscle when i move my arm but the few gram i lost on my belly is not obvious to me because there is more fat. but that would not explain (if this theory is right and possible) why i m not getting lighter on the scale! or is 2-3 kg not really measurable very precisly anyway beacuse of when you go on the scale how much you eat and drink on that day, the evening bevore salty things etc. please say yes to this it would make me feel good |
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 09:59:00 PM » |
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Erica, I insist, forget the scale, throw it away.
Beware of measuring one inch here, 2 inches there stuff, don't become obsesive, anorexic, starving, bulimic crazy.
Eat right, 6 times a day, good balanced meals. Veggies rock!
Don´t overkill. Train on a normal basis, overtraining gives no results.
Remember, no such thing as fat spot removal, your body stores it were it needs it. Your body will, eventually, go for that last "love handle".
Last but not least, this is my favorite adivce:
Don't look at yourself in the mirror for 2 months, and go do "your thing". You can't see results on a daily basis because you keep looking for them. Check yourself out in 2 months, untill then, mirror is forbidden. If you put lotion on your body after shower, do it away from the mirror, looking at the ground, I dunno, find a way.
Hope this helps. Wish you the very best of luck.
P.S. Scales are evil, throw that thing away.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 04:56:38 AM » |
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Muawe is so right. When I lost weight (and I lost a lot) I lost it at a rate of about 2lbs per week. 2lbs for a whole week of exercise and perfect nutrition. If you are very overweight, you really can't see 2lbs. You can't see 4lbs. You can hardly see 10lbs! But since nobody weighs 1 million pounds, you're eventually gonna reach your goal weight if you just keep your patience and keep doing what you're doing and keep losing pound per pound. Give it some time, it's gonna take some months. But in the big picture that's nothing. After that you'll have many, many years to enjoy it ! |
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