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« on: August 17, 2010, 12:30:52 PM »

I have a friend who wants to lose fat. Basically I calculated the numbers using scooby's calorie counter and it said she needs to eat 1500-1600 calories a day. However in the activities section I put sedentary however she's willing to do 60 minutes of walking/jogging a day. Does it mean she should it more or is the exercise just a bonus to help her lose fat?
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 12:45:05 PM »

Is the 1500-1600 calories a day below her TDEE--a calorie deficit? Or is that her "maintain current weight" amount? Either way, doing 60 minutes of walking/jogging will burn calories and enable her to lose weight more quickly. If she hasn't been walking/jogging already, she needs to build up to it slowly... probably starting with around 20 minutes a day for a week, and then increasing the amount of time each week. The key to losing weight with cardio is to get your heart rate around 140 beats per minute, for at least 20 minutes, to burn fat. For walking to work, it has to be a pretty brisk pace!

The best way to lose weight and not regain it is to adopt a nutrition plan that you can stick with the rest of your life, and make a committment to do cardio nearly every day of the week. For many people, just cutting the junk out of their diets is enough to create a deficit to lose weight. Cut out soda, candy, chips, fast food, and eat more fruit and veg.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 02:02:00 PM »

It's the amount of calories needed to lose fat.

What I'm trying to is, if she does exercise, does it mean she can eat more or should she stick to 1500-1600 calories still?
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 05:10:42 PM »

Well, it kind of depends on what her calorie deficit is. She should have a deficit of no more than 1,000 calories a day (to lose 2lbs/~1kilo a week). Cardio will burn more calories, but how many more depends on how much she weighs now, and how long she does the cardio for. You can calculate her TDEE and pick how much activity she does, and then the cardio is already included in the calculation. Here's a good site to see how many calories different activities burn   ---> Calories Burned Calculator. It's usually not as much as you'd think!

Cardio is important for more than just losing weight; it exercises the heart and is good for reducing stress and for overall health. She should do a cardio activity that she enjoys most days of the week, for the rest of her life. I do a variety of cardio exercises, that keeps things from getting boring, for me.

If she does exercise, but you didn't include that in the calorie calculation, then she could eat more. Most people eat more than they realize; an actual portion size is a LOT smaller than people think. Unless she is going to be VERY particular about portion size and what she eats, it might be better for her to stay around 1500-1600 calories a day but still do cardio.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 10:26:44 PM »

Isn't 1000 calories less than the normal amount pretty harsh? I mean that's half as much as the normal calorie limit.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 03:53:30 AM »

It depends on the person. Under no circumstances should anyone eat less than their BMR; however, recommendations are that men eat no less than 1500 calories a day, women eat no less than 1200.

Just as an example, if a woman's TDEE (number of calories to maintain her current weight) was 2400 and her BMR was 1200, then she could "easily" have a deficit of 1000 calories a day, which would bring her to 1400. However, "easily" is a matter of very strict nutrition, and can be difficult to maintain. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 06:21:36 AM »

It depends on the person. Under no circumstances should anyone eat less than their BMR; however, recommendations are that men eat no less than 1500 calories a day, women eat no less than 1200.

Just as an example, if a woman's TDEE (number of calories to maintain her current weight) was 2400 and her BMR was 1200, then she could "easily" have a deficit of 1000 calories a day, which would bring her to 1400. However, "easily" is a matter of very strict nutrition, and can be difficult to maintain. 

Goldie, those are already pretty low amounts. Even if you fix the calorie deficit you are aiming for (say, 500 kcal/day), it is healthier to eat 1500 kcal and have a TDEE of 2000 kcal than to eat 1200 and have TDEE = 1700. In other words, "your body works best at a high calorie turnover". The difference between the two scenarios is, of course, the amount of exercise you do.

Aiming for the higher value has several advantages. For me the most important are these two:

- Doing the cardio has the obvious advantages of strengthening your heart, improving your lung capacity, etc etc; I won't go into details here. I will simply note that lung capacity (specifically, VO2 max) is a better predictor of mortality than being overweight or obese. So if you are doing this for health, a calorie deficit is not the ultimate solution.
- If you eat more calories, it is less likely that you will have deficits of essential nutrients such as vitamins and essential fatty acids. It is also easier to eat a more varied diet because you are not counting calories as strictly.


In a recent study I read there is a pretty significant decrease in mortality with the TDEE increase. Specifically, they recommend a minimum of 1500 kcal per week spent on exercise for women, and 2000 kcal/week for men. I did the math and it amounts to around 4 hours per week of jogging at a reasonably fast pace. It also adds up to about 2000-2300 kcal TDEE for women, and 2500-2800 kcal TDEE for men.

In other words: if you are aiming to be healthy (which will also make you more attractive, if that's your goal), it's best to up your cardio than to lower your eating.
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