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    « Reply #15 on: December 30, 2010, 05:27:22 AM »

    Oh well in that case, I think what you need to do is just focus on gaining muscle, as you probably lost a lot of muscle, bone density etc during your unhealthy fat loss. This could explain why your bones show sooner than you'd wish. So if you want to look more like the squat-girl, it's all about gaining more muscle, which you'd definitely have to do for a 6-pack. Women need a higher bf% than men to be healthy, your six-pack shows at a higher % than ours, but you can't get it as visible as men can without it being unhealthy. So don't try to get a 6-pack Tongue

    It's very important for women to remember that women like that Miss Universe are not healthy. A healthy woman has around 20-25% bf. Going lower than 15% is not advised.

    Do you work out at home or in a gym? What equipment do you have access to? (Dumbbells, Barbells, Cables?) Any injuries etc we ought to know about before we go into routines?

    Either way, my guess is what's best for you is a full body routine, as Scoobys beginner routine is. You're definitely not going to need isolations ^^
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    « Reply #16 on: December 30, 2010, 06:37:44 AM »

    @tom
    I checked the video you posted.  I don't think you look awkwardly skinny at all??? I think you look good.  No bony bits to be seen from that angle.  Grin

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    Thanks very much for the "code" information.   i think I'll just start trying it.  If I end up with some messed up posts in the beginning... ah well.  Can't be that hard.

    I'm really looking forward to the possible transformation.  This whole bony issue has literally been a major deterrent to losing weight.  I just don't want to look like that and I guess that's how I've always equated image and weight loss.  I've never had any "squat girl" role models... or even been exposed to any of this kind of thinking before.  So though it may not be important to you... this has been fabulously encouraging news for me.

    I'm looking forward to soon being able to go to the pool without being embarrassed.  Funny eh?  I'm not embarrassed because of my big ol' butt and belly... but those 4-6 little rib bones that stick out!  Anyway.. Thanks to all!  Much appreciated.

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    « Reply #17 on: December 30, 2010, 07:05:48 AM »

    sorry myschly, I didn't see your post when i replied the last time... Roll Eyes

    Firstly thank you for stressing the importance that women do not try to reach body fat levels the same as men.  This, for whatever reason, never occurred to me and I think this is really, really important for women to realize.  But to hear it coming from a forum of bodybuilders, people who know the sport, that is even more reassuring that my natural inclination that women should/could look more like squat girl than miss universe, is good.

    Right now I work out at home doing Scoobys beginner.  I have a no mar chin up bar and 10lb dumbells (?)  The small weights for each hand with a weight on each side of your hand kinda weights??  They're a solid piece though.  You can't change the weight on the end.  I also have one of those therma band (??) things.  The stretchy resistance band I use for physio.

    I have a gym membership that I've only used for swimming up until now but I have access to the city gym.  I will be using the treadmill and cardio machines though because I've been given the okay to go back to running to see how it goes.

    In terms of injuries I just have a weird problem with my legs/hips.  Mostly only in one but it's there in both.  The therapist says it's originally caused because all of my joints have too much mobility in them.  ie- the muscles don't stabilize the joints properly.  This is most pronounced in the spine and hips.  The major category of muscles affected are the muscles used to hold the body upright.  All the postural muscles. (So I'm hoping doing these routines are going to help with that)  It's quite painful most of the time... everywhere...

    The biggest issue though is that because I've always stayed active despite knowing what the problem was, it's created more problems.  This continued until I couldn't walk anymore because of the pain and because they muscles just couldn't do it anymore.  My leg was actually having to be dragged behind because the hip flexor was seized.

    To compensate for the extra-mobility/instability in the hip the iliotibial band, hip flexors and some other one i don't remember became quite fibrous with adhesions.  Basically trying to get as solid as possible to stabilize the hip.  (I was biking 30k a day to work at this time and running 5k every other day) .... then... I was doing nothing.

    So.  I have to take it slow.  I have exercising to stimulate the glutes cause they're not firing as they should/could.  Not to make them bigger but to trigger the brain to tell all the fibers to work at once.  Also to build up core slowly because it's horribly weak.  For example, because of the instability in the hips and the adhesions etc.. plank pose (great for core) is excruciatingly painful.  not just when I do it, but for days after it is difficult to walk.  So we've dropped that one for a bit until I get a little more strength from the bridges etc.

    Whew... that was a long one.  how's that for a weird challenge?  No... no isolations I don't think.  I think I did have muscle loss but that was about 5 years ago the last time I stopped eating so I've gained a fair bit of the day to day muscle back.

    Anyway, that's my story in a nut shell... as always, any advice is welcome.

    Thanks guys.


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    « Reply #18 on: December 30, 2010, 07:41:12 AM »

    Haha dayumn! I think I'm outta my league on that one Tongue But yeah, definitely no isolations, only compounds approved by your doctors etc. Core stability is the most important tho', otherwise starting on things like rows can risk injuries. So I don't think I can give more advise than to follow what your doc & physio say, cuz your situation is a bit unique!


    But yeah, it's sad that people have such a misconstrued picture of what healthy is, everybody thinks it's being skinny, and there isn't really a movement from govt or others to point out that women should have some fat on their bodies. Then again, if someone was actually successful in getting out the truth, TV-shop would loose a lot of money  Cheesy
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    « Reply #19 on: December 30, 2010, 08:21:31 AM »

    Lassy, I understand how you can be self-conscious about a bony chest, but with the physical challenges you have right now, I think you need to re-focus your thoughts on getting healthy and gaining overall strength. Once you're at a healthy weight and have good strength, then you can worry about a bony chest.

    Scooby's beginning plan is a good one, and I think you'd be best to stick to that for awhile. Your problem is because your muscles don't stabilize your joints well enough, so strengthening the muscles should help. If I were you, I wouldn't think about using any weights yet, not even 10 pound dumbbells. Bodyweight exercises are plenty good enough to get you stronger.

    If you have problems with certain exercises, like planks, see about modifying them. You can do planks from your knees instead of your toes, for instance, and do them for only very short periods of time. If planks are totally out for now, just do crunches. Be sure you have proper form when you do crunches--take a look at Scooby's videos in our Video Library. Even if you can't do a full crunch, just a partial one that tenses your abs would be a good start.

    A couple ideas come to mind for your situation. Please check with your physio, but have you tried bodyweight squats? These are great for building all the muscles of the posterior chain (including lower back--use proper form!) as well as the core muscles. And I also wonder if certain stretches might help you? I'm thinking specifically of using a styrofoam roller to roll out tight spots like hip flexors. But, as I said, check with your physio first.
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    « Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 08:51:51 AM »

    Thanks Goldie,

    I am definitely thinking along the same lines as you.  The doctors, honestly are not too much help.  it took over 5 years just to get this diagnosis.  I guess they're finally right because what I'm doing is helping finally.

    BUT...  funny you mention the foam roller thing.  Yes.  All the doctors have mentioned that.  It is just way to painful yet to use.  But yes Goldie you're right.

    Also "I" really feel that the next step is just to strengthen EVERYTHING.  Not really in a weight lifting way (yet) but to just get the muscles strong so they're supporting everything properly. I think that would help dramatically. 

    I was doing modified plank for a while.  I think one of my biggest problems is lack of patience.  Having to start at (what seems to me) such a low level to prevent backlash (my term for when my body violently reacts to over training) if exceedingly frustrating.

    I'll go back to modified plank and I'll look into body weight squats.  I don't know what that is.  Is that the same squats as Scooby shows in his beginner video?  If not if I just google that I'm sure I'll find it?

    Also... seeing as I have you here.. quick question then

    When I did the beginner workout my muscles were beyond sore for about 9 days.  Not like what I think people are calling DOMS (I know that from biking long distance)  but like a sharp tearing feeling lasting days. Then on day 9 all of a sudden I woke up with just ad DOMS feeling and day 10 all gone. So then I would do it again.  Same results.  I quite for a bit to try and figure out a solution.  I have enough pain from everything else.. I'm not going to willingly cause myself THAT much pain.

    My theory is this:  I know how many reps I did in those workouts.  I went to failure.  so.  My theory is to go back to the beginner workout but consciously only do half the reps I have recorded.  it won't be to failure but hopefully will prevent the "backlash" so that I will be able to work out again in 2 to 4 days.  Then I can slowly work from there.
    Sounds reasonable?  you think?
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    « Reply #21 on: December 30, 2010, 09:01:23 AM »

    oh...
    I just wanted to mention in all of this...
    I'm still swimming minimum (30-45min) 2X per week often 4X depending on my schedule.  I'm still active.  It's just weight bearing exercise is tricky because it causes problems for so long after.

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    « Reply #22 on: December 30, 2010, 09:24:45 AM »

    When I did the beginner workout my muscles were beyond sore for about 9 days.  Not like what I think people are calling DOMS (I know that from biking long distance)  but like a sharp tearing feeling lasting days. Then on day 9 all of a sudden I woke up with just ad DOMS feeling and day 10 all gone. So then I would do it again.  Same results.  I quite for a bit to try and figure out a solution.  I have enough pain from everything else.. I'm not going to willingly cause myself THAT much pain.

    My theory is this:  I know how many reps I did in those workouts.  I went to failure.  so.  My theory is to go back to the beginner workout but consciously only do half the reps I have recorded.  it won't be to failure but hopefully will prevent the "backlash" so that I will be able to work out again in 2 to 4 days.  Then I can slowly work from there.
    Sounds reasonable?  you think?


    Hmm, DOMS can last a solid week if you're working muscles really hard in a brand new way, but what you describe seems too intense.  Cutting the total volume in half like that is a good idea.  You don't want to be barely able to move for a week, just sore for a few days.

    And for body weight squats:
    CrossFit Squat

    A squat with no weight.  What you do with your arms really isn't that important.  Some people like to cross them hands on shoulders, because that's where your hands are with a goblet squat (this exact motion holding a small weight in both hands).  Just want to make sure at the bottom your hips are lower than your knees, and that you're sitting back (knees never go past your toes).
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    « Reply #23 on: December 30, 2010, 09:57:27 AM »

    What RT said about reps--I agree, go with half the number! You definitely don't want that severe tearing type pain. And you may have to alter the number of reps depending on how you feel. If half still gives you that bad pain, cut it back more; but if you're not sore at all, not even DOMS, increase by a couple reps the next time and see how you feel then.

    AND that's a good video for bodyweight squats. Just a couple things I'd like to add--as RT said, what you do with your hands isn't that important, but it IS important to keep your chest up, so you're not bending forward at the waist. The bend is from the hips, and you should keep your upper body as upright as you can and still keep your balance. You also might have difficulty going all the way to the bottom of the squat if you have flexibility problems, so go as deep as you can comfortably. If you can't go all the way down, work on flexibility and you'll get there. Also, go at a speed that's comfortable for you--and don't go overboard on the reps!

    Swimming is great cardio, so keep that up!

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    « Reply #24 on: December 30, 2010, 10:01:04 AM »

    OH and I forgot to add about the foam roller thing--if you already have one, you can make it "softer" by wrapping a couple layers of a cut-to-size yoga mat around it (use duct tape to hold it there). Don't put your full body weight on it when you're rolling, just enough weight to stretch but not cause pain.
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    « Reply #25 on: December 30, 2010, 10:46:09 AM »

    Yeah definitely don't go to failure. For strength, it's best not to go to failure, and for hypertrophy (bigger muscles), failure isn't needed. So never go to failure until your problems are gone. Do 3x3-5 with what you can do 3x8-12 with. "No pain no gain" is probably misunderstood as often as "survival of the fittest". DOMS yes, any other pain, stop.
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    « Reply #26 on: December 30, 2010, 11:38:38 AM »

    Alright then.
    I think I've got a plan.
    I'll let you know how it goes.

    Thanks very much to everyone for the advice!
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    « Reply #27 on: April 25, 2011, 10:55:00 PM »


    My theory is that with the right chest exercises i might be able to gain enough muscle just to sort of fill it in a bit so that the dips between the ribs aren't so noticeable.  so the chest (other than where my breasts are,.. which aren't too big to start with) is more smooth than having the ribs visible.
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    « Reply #28 on: April 26, 2011, 04:38:43 PM »

    I know of so many girls who got bony chest in stead of six pac abs by starvation diet. The reason is so simple. They have lost muscles to keep chest closed. So their rib bones are widely open and bellies are sticking out and look like starved to death children in third countries. Sorry for harsh words, but this is my honest feeling.







    You have to start eating and working out right but I'm sure you want a quick solution. There's not actually a quick solution but workouts above help you built muscle around your chest and strengthen your abdominals, so at least your rib bones will close, like my mine.

    To prevent bony chest, just eat right and work out.
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