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« on: August 04, 2010, 08:58:53 AM »

I am feeling a bit frustrated.

I am 45 years old, I am 5' 2" tall and I weigh 124lbs. Two years ago I weighed 176 lbs. I feel like I have done well to this point. I am currently doing a workout routine that I got out of "The Body Fat soulution" by Tom Venuto. It is a three day routine using super sets , roatating between workout A and workout B. The workouts are as follows. I've listed the weight and reps I use.

workout A

dumbbell squat 35lb dumbel in each hand/3 sets of 8-10
Bird dog   3 sets of 20 on each side

Dumbbell split squat 20lb dumbell in each hand/ 3 sets of 10
Dumbbell row 25-30lbs/ 3 sets 8-10

Dumbell bench press 30lb dumbells/ 3 sets 8-10
Plank hold postiton for 60-90 seconds

Seated calf raises 30lbs 3 sets till burn out

Workout B

Roman dead lift 35lb dumbell in each hand/3 sets 8
Shoulder press 20lb dumbells /3 set 8-10

one legged hip extensions 3 sets of 20 each side
two dumbell pullovers 15lb dummbell in each hand /3 sets 8-10

reverse crunch 3 sets 20
oblique crunch 3 sets 20 each side

Dumbbell curl 20lbs/ 3 sets 8
two dumbbell extension, lying down (tricep) 12 lbs/3 sets 8

One week you do workout B twice and A once and the next week it is reversed.
It is designed as an 8 week cycle the first four weeks was lighter weights with a 15 rep max and the second four weeks is heavier weight with a 10 rep max. I am currently on the second weeks of the second cycle.
I do cardio 5 times a week. 25 minutes on my workout days(mon, wed, fri.) and 45 minutes on Tues and Thurs.  I do HIIT for two of my cardio sessions. I was rotatong between the treadmill and the elliptical, but due to aching knees I am just using the elliptical now. I wear a heart rate monitor to be sure my heart rate is elevated to the right point.

I eat a pretty good diet. Proteins: Lean ground turkey, Salmon, egg whites, chicken breast. Veggies: broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, green beans,salad,tomatoes. Fiberous carbs: oatmeal, brown rice, 100% whole wheat bread (limited to once a day) Fruit: Water melon, canteloupe, strawberries and plums.  fruit is just one or maybe two serving a day. I eat a piece of light string cheese every day. I eat a 1/2 oz to an ounce of almond or sunflower seeds each day. I have an EAS carb control protein shake in the morning with instant coffe in it. If I eat a salad I use light balsamic vinegarette dressing. Up until about six weeks ago I would have a cheat day once a week, but I was losing control on those so i decided I would only have one at the end of each month. 6 weeks ago, I  cut out diet coke. The only thing I drink is coffee and water. If my coffee is not in my protein shake  I use 1/4 cup reduced fat milk in it. I never have more than two cups a day. I was at 1900 calories a day for about 4 months then dropped to 1400 calories a day for a month and thought maybe that wasn't enough so I recently upped it to 1600 calories.

I had a hydrostatic body fat comp done last February. My body fat was at 25%. My goal is between 18% and 20%  I really don't know where it is now. I have a calliper but I get a different number on it every time I  use it. I am hoping that when Scooby post the body fat testing for women I will be able to figure it out  Smiley  The hydrostatic testing will be back at our gym in Sept.


All that to ask where am I going wrong? I can't seem to get this mid section of mine to be where I want it to be.
I read that I may need to increase my cardio, but if I increase it and then drop back down with it, won't the weight come back? I don't
mind doing more than five times a week for a while but as a lifestyle that seems like a lot. Is my workout not sufficient? Are my calories off?
Do I need to eat less? I have never in my life stuck with anything the way I have this, but I feel like I have taken myself as far as I can. I can"t really afford a trainer at this time. This might be a little personal, but I think I am pre menopausal. I have the hot flash thing going on and my cycles are all messed up. Will that have an effect on losing fat? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!






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    « Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 09:41:05 AM »

    First off, congratulations on losing that weight. I've read everything you've written above twice over and it does seem an interesting case. A couple of questions:

     - have you ever been lighter than you currently are whilst still being in good shape? (since mid-20s)
     - Are you still losing any weight, albeit at a very slow rate (even if as low as 1lb a month or similar)?
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    « Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 09:42:53 AM »

    First off, great work at sticking with your plan for 2 years!

    I wish I could be more help, but to me it doesn't look like you're doing anything "wrong" at all.  I calculated your BMR at ~1275cal/day and with all the exercise you do you should be burning at least 2000cal/day, so by the numbers you should still be losing about a pound every other week.

    The calipers I bought came with different charts and measurement sites for men and women.  If it helps, the easiest way to approximate your bodyfat is by measuring the fold on the back of your arm, with the more sites you can get to, the more accurate the reading (some spots are impossible to reach yourself).  Here's a couple links that could help http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/skinfold-measurements.html and http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/body-fat-calculator.html
    Hydrostatic testing should be much more accurate, but calipers are great for getting an idea of where you are.  

    One of my friends has been working out for awhile and was frustrated that she didn't see any difference on the scale.  I suggested she take a tape measure to see if her midsection has actually gotten smaller, and after a couple weeks she already lost 2 inches.  If you haven't looked at those numbers already, it could be encouraging to check there too.  Working out this much must be doing something Smiley

    You might need to do more cardio, or be more intense in what you're doing now.  If on an eliptical machine, cranking up the resistance and/or increasing the height can make you burn much more in the same amount of time.  Some have built in programs that will varry it for you (almost making it into a bit of a HIIT routine as well).  

    The hormone shifts at the onset of menopause can cause serious changes in your metabolism as well, but I'm no OB/GYN.  Your gynecologist would be the best person to ask there and could give you much more detailed answers.

    Hope that helps.  Good luck!
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    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 10:09:03 AM »

    My very first question is: have you had your thyroid function checked recently? It's actually quite common for women to have gradually decreasing thyroid function as they get older. The symptoms are so gradual, it's difficult to see unless you have a blood test. If you haven't had this checked, I'd definitely recommend it. Everyone, men and women, require fewer calories as they get older; I don't think being pre-menopausal has anything to do with it, but ask your doctor.

    Your workout, cardio, and nutrition all sound really good. You can temporarily increase the amount of cardio you do, to create more of a calorie deficit. When you're at your goal weight you should be able to return to the amount of cardio you do now and maintain that goal weight. You might want to switch out some of your steady-state cardio sessions for HIIT sessions; I usually do HIIT 4 days a week (and steady state cardio 1-2 days also). Be sure that you're really doing the HIIT at your max intensity level!

    How long have you been stuck at 124 pounds? To lose one pound a week, you need to have a daily calorie deficit of 500 calories. I put your numbers in here ---> Calories needed calculator and it shows your BMR (the basic calories required to live) of 1268, and your TDEE (the number of calories needed to mainain your current weight @ 3-5 hrs/week of moderate exercise) of 1965. So to lose one pound a week, you'd have to stay around 1400 calories a day. This is a general idea and varies from person to person.

    When you're a small person and have to cut calories when you're not eating a whole bunch of calories to begin with, it can be difficult. I'm the same height as you, I weigh about 108-110, and I understand the problems. It sounds like you have a good handle on your calorie consumption, but you might want to keep closer track of what you eat for a week or two. Weigh or measure every single thing you eat and drink, and look up the calories here ---> Nutrition Data and Calories.

    Hang in there! This is a great bulletin board for support; be sure you check out our other threads, too. The guys here are wonderful!
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    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 10:56:34 AM »

    First off, congratulations on losing that weight. I've read everything you've written above twice over and it does seem an interesting case. A couple of questions:

     - have you ever been lighter than you currently are whilst still being in good shape? (since mid-20s)
     - Are you still losing any weight, albeit at a very slow rate (even if as low as 1lb a month or similar)?

    Thanks for the congrats.

    I was lighter once....LOL when I was about 23 years old. I kept the weight off for about 5 years until I got pregnant with my second child. I was in good cardiovascular conditon, but no muscle to speak of. I have yo-yo'd since, losing anywhere from 20-30 pounds. The longest I kept the weight off was a couple of months. This time I have tried to educate myself more on fitness and nutriton. I have had the weight off for a full year now and have been exercising on a regular basis for two years.

    The scale is moving at a very slow rate of about 1/2 pound every two weeks or so.  The calculator I used to figure what my estimated weight should be to have an 18% body fat estimated I should weigh 115lbs at that point.The calculator was from Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle ,But I hear of many women weighing much more than that with an even lower body fat percentage. Is that due to them lifting heavy weight? I want defined muscles, but not bulk. Several people, my doctor included, told me that at my age and with having been over weight for a number of years that my stomach won't tighten up. I may never have abs that actually show but I am not going with the fact that it won't tighten more than it is now. I am not giving up hope. I am willing to do what it takes. Problem is figuring out what it takes. I think my answer is....time and patience. Sometimes it's hard when you feel like you are working so hard and not getting the result you feel worthy.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 11:12:06 AM »

    I was lighter once....LOL when I was about 23 years old. I kept the weight off for about 5 years until I got pregnant with my second child. I was in good cardiovascular conditon, but no muscle to speak of. I have yo-yo'd since, losing anywhere from 20-30 pounds. The longest I kept the weight off was a couple of months. This time I have tried to educate myself more on fitness and nutriton. I have had the weight off for a full year now and have been exercising on a regular basis for two years.

    I asked this because most people seem to have a weight that they naturally gravitate around - and is 'normal' for them. They find it hard to go much higher or much lower than this weight unless an extreme lifestyle is adopted - because it is genetically programmed into them as much as anything.

    The scale is moving at a very slow rate of about 1/2 pound every two weeks or so.  The calculator I used to figure what my estimated weight should be to have an 18% body fat estimated I should weigh 115lbs at that point.The calculator was from Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle ,But I hear of many women weighing much more than that with an even lower body fat percentage. Is that due to them lifting heavy weight? I want defined muscles, but not bulk. Several people, my doctor included, told me that at my age and with having been over weight for a number of years that my stomach won't tighten up. I may never have abs that actually show but I am not going with the fact that it won't tighten more than it is now. I am not giving up hope. I am willing to do what it takes. Problem is figuring out what it takes. I think my answer is....time and patience. Sometimes it's hard when you feel like you are working so hard and not getting the result you feel worthy.

    It's a hyperbolic curve, the more weight you lose the harder it gets to lose weight. I've highlighted the important part of your response in my eyes. You are still losing the weight, even if it is 1lb a month. Although i'm not going to go so far as to suggest accurate calorie counting like the two above me nor do I think you should be increasing your workout particularly. Your last statement in your original post is a concern and could be a menopausal symptom, thyroid dysregulation or perhaps mild malnutrition. You simply don't know, but I don't think further calorie restriction when you're already losing weight (even if it is slower than ideal in your eyes) is the answer.

    As Goldie suggests a checkup is probably a good idea. (Easier said for me with the NHS paying for my healthcare I know!)



    As a side note, I dated a girl who had an under-active thyroid for a few months - she needed an injection every (8? or was it 12?) weeks or so otherwise she'd feel increasingly lethargic and grumpy, with wild mood swings and bouts of depression. Consequently after each injection she became filled with energy for a few days, always laughing, bouncy and lively.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 12:27:15 PM »

    I had half my throid removed 18 months ago (suspected cancer but luckily not). The remaining half worked okay until a few months ago, so my doc has me on synthetic thyroid hormone, a small tablet every day. No injections needed!
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    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 09:10:04 AM »

    I had half my throid removed 18 months ago (suspected cancer but luckily not). The remaining half worked okay until a few months ago, so my doc has me on synthetic thyroid hormone, a small tablet every day. No injections needed!

    My girlfriend has a similar condition: a hypothyroidism (i.e. under-active thyroid), diagnosed when she was 26 years old. She has to take a very small pill everyday, and that's that. In her endocrinologist's words, "one of the best chronic illnesses to have".

    My high LDL cholesterol is much more dangerous than that (especially being male).
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